Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Nexus18]

Can people not count on this forum either now?

1. rise of the tomb raider
2. sniper elite 4
3. quantum break
4. gears of war
5. total war
6. the division
7. hitman
8. ashes of sing.
9. deus ex mkd
10. forza apex
11. halo 5 forge
12. forza horizon
13. battlefield 1
14. civ IV
15. halo wars 2

And for vulkan, we have doom and some other lesser known game. but star citizen is moving to vulkan iirc and as said above, iirc, cryengine is moving over to vulkan.

And a few others along with others that have dx 12 in an experimental testing phase......

Not to mention upcoming games with dx 12 support i.e. battlefront 2.

Yup no dx 12 games Even when/if 90% of games in the future are dx 12 only, people will still be saying "no dx 12 games!!!!!!"

I won't be surprised if we see a few revisions of dx 12 i.e. dx 12.1/12.2 etc. until the vast majority of games become dx 12 only though..... Possibly even a dx 13 by that time but guess what...... it will be building on top of dx 12 so chances are it will still need all those features of dx 12, which current nvidia cards aren't very good at....

 

[JediFragger]

Its completely irrelevant if vega is good at dx12. It's about as relevant as if it runs on unicorn juice.

Volta will be a proper DX12 card apparantly, that's when we'll start to see a serious amount of DX12 titles...

Also, I get some very good gains in The Division using DX12 and my Ti, esp with the new drivers (prob added another 5% at least, more like 10%). Not using the benchmark, actually use. Also, my Fury showed next to no increase using the benchmark when comparing DX11 & 12, but I was getting 70%+ performance increase in parts of the actual game)

 

[Rroff]

It's the odd Video v almost all reviewers over the last few years. Nobody had a problem with the reviews on the gtx780 release as compared to the competition it was really fast. The reviewers are still using the same cards years later but now it's not good enough as Kepler performance has either stayed the same or went backwards in newer games. My point being these cards being used looked good against the 7970/290 but are now looking rather slow in reviews. Arguing the case about higher boost being needed to show what they can do just shows how the performance has dropped off. It's like saying maybe the reviewers should start using a 290oc instead of the stock model. My 290 comes at 1040/1350 and gains around 10% performance. It wouldn't be fair to use this model just cause it came later and has higher clocks.

The base models are what should always be used as they are a base to keep things the same and fair and to look back and see what is what from years ago. Mix and match cores and your data will be all over the place.

Many of those reviews are just dead wrong (read the comments section on the gamers nexus review in one of those threads) compared to what actual users will see with those cards and those videos prove it - and in most of those videos they are comparing against OC model 290s, etc. I don't know what on earth companies like TPU do when testing Kepler but they are well down on what they should be.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Nope there's 3 I can name them can you? Clue: they are all windows 10 games.

Other games have some sort of clunky dx12 overlay or implementation. For example The division has a dx12 mode. It also has a better dx11 mode. Same as battlefield 1.

And I didn't say I didn't want those features did I?

I simply inferred DX12 is a myth

The division runs way better in dx12 for me and the majority i have talked to. Dx12 in BF 1 is also better for me although it has given me more problems compared to dx11 but performance wise it's better when working properly. Infact all the games Guru has tested would give me better performance. I am all for Dx12 and hopefully more developers start to use it for what it can do and not so much as tacked on.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Please god no dx12 nonsense!

For a over a year I've had to listen to how the 480 was better at dx12 than the 1060 and guess how many dx12 games have been released in that time? None! Zilch. Not one to be added to the three that already exist. Yup three!

Its completely irrelevant if vega is good at dx12. It's about as relevant as if it runs on unicorn juice.

Yup, and do you think that if it was Nvidia that were great at Dx12 back when it came out, we'd still be sitting here now, with the odd Dx11'er patched to 12s laters, nope, me neither, just look whats happened to Mantle now that Nvidia have jumped on it, it was dead when it was just AMD doing it, they had to get rid of it.

 

[shankly1985]

Please god no dx12 nonsense!

For a over a year I've had to listen to how the 480 was better at dx12 than the 1060 and guess how many dx12 games have been released in that time? None! Zilch. Not one to be added to the three that already exist. Yup three!

Its completely irrelevant if vega is good at dx12. It's about as relevant as if it runs on unicorn juice.

Mmmmm just 3 games guys lool

 

[Nexus18]

The division runs way better in dx12 for me and the majority i have talked to. Dx12 in BF 1 is also better for me although it has given me more problems compared to dx11 but performance wise it's better when working properly. Infact all the games Guru has tested would give me better performance. I am all for Dx12 and hopefully more developers start to use it for what it can do and not so much as tacked on.

Just think, if AMD cards are seeing as much benefit as what they are in current "patched" dx 12 titles, imagine what it will be like with true dx 12 only titles built from the ground up, I dread to imagine where nvidia's current cards will end up especially the pre-10xx series ones I think nvidia people will have to upgrade yet again.....

Mmmmm just 3 games guys lool

Indeed, this gif sums it up:

Just when you think this thread couldn't get any more ridiculous

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Volta will be a proper DX12 card apparantly, that's when we'll start to see a serious amount of DX12 titles...

If it is, then yep, and whos Volta by ?

 

[Gerard]

Do we really care about dx 12 titles? Not as if it bring any graphical improvements, its only meant to boost performance to some extent..done a great job of that in bf1.

 

[Mauller]

Do we really care about dx 12 titles? Not as if it bring any graphical improvements, its only meant to boost performance to some extent..done a great job of that in bf1.

it will only bring drastic improvements once games focus on DX12 or Vulkan, you can make a game far more dynamic and interactive. Since you can render far more unique objects in a scene.

 

[shankly1985]

Just think, if AMD cards are seeing as much benefit as what they are in current "patched" dx 12 titles, imagine what it will be like with true dx 12 only titles built from the ground up, I dread to imagine where nvidia's current cards will end up especially the pre-10xx series ones I think nvidia people will have to upgrade yet again.....



Indeed, this gif sums it up:

Just when you think this thread couldn't get any more ridiculous

 

[shankly1985]

it will only bring drastic improvements once games focus on DX12 or Vulkan, you can make a game far more dynamic and interactive. Since you can render far more unique objects in a scene.

While also improving frame times making games much smoother.

 

[Nexus18]

Do we really care about dx 12 titles? Not as if it bring any graphical improvements, its only meant to boost performance to some extent..done a great job of that in bf1.

Better performance allows us to turn the graphics up even further.... i.e. for the division on my PC with dx 11, I had dips to 30s, usually around 40s to low 50s and quite a few settings turned down to medium/low/off with the object detail + distance slider set to 10/0%

With dx 12..... I could turn up about 4-5 settings to high/max as well as the draw distance slider + object detail slider from 10/0% to 70/60% and be locked to 60 fps (vsync on) 90% of the time, my FPS never dips below 50 fps with dx 12

Same with every other dx 12 game I've tested on my PC, far better performance and as a result, able to whack the graphics to max.

 

[Erik13]

Dx12/Vulcan are the future, like it or not upcoming games will have those apis not dx11/opengl ...

 

[JediFragger]

I dread to imagine where nvidia's current cards will end up especially the pre-10xx series ones

Yeah, Pascal does pretty alright in DX12 considering but pre-Pascal it'll be a bit of a bloodbath

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Dx12/Vulcan are the future, like it or not upcoming games will have those apis not dx11/opengl ...

We know, as Nvidias doing em, they've already brought Mantle back from the dead.

 

[Brazo]

Mmmmm just 3 games guys lool

Yes there are 3 games which solely use dx12.

Forza
Halo
Gears of war

Can you name any more?

 

[Brazo]

Can people not count on this forum either now?

1. rise of the tomb raider
2. sniper elite 4
3. quantum break
4. gears of war
5. total war
6. the division
7. hitman
8. ashes of sing.
9. deus ex mkd
10. forza apex
11. halo 5 forge
12. forza horizon
13. battlefield 1
14. civ IV
15. halo wars 2

And for vulkan, we have doom and some other lesser known game. but star citizen is moving to vulkan iirc and as said above, iirc, cryengine is moving over to vulkan.

And a few others along with others that have dx 12 in an experimental testing phase......

Not to mention upcoming games with dx 12 support i.e. battlefront 2.

Yup no dx 12 games Even when/if 90% of games in the future are dx 12 only, people will still be saying "no dx 12 games!!!!!!"

I won't be surprised if we see a few revisions of dx 12 i.e. dx 12.1/12.2 etc. until the vast majority of games become dx 12 only though..... Possibly even a dx 13 by that time but guess what...... it will be building on top of dx 12 so chances are it will still need all those features of dx 12, which current nvidia cards aren't very good at....

lol those are dx11 games with a dx12 option often patched in later.

Only from your list gears of war, forza and halo

 

[shankly1985]

Yes there are 3 games which solely use dx12.

Forza
Halo
Gears of war

Can you name any more?

Nice get out there I'll give you that. But we wasn't talking games running only dx12 was we? Lol

They is loads more dx12 games also using dx11 that have excellent performance gains. Division, battlefield too name two

Edit
Doesn't matter if they have dx11 also if dx12 shows gains its a dx12 title.

 

[nashathedog]

Games are becoming more and more complex. Because of this the dev's need to learn new way's of doing thing's.
Because of the deadline's game developers get given to finish a game in they have to do it the way they know best which is DX11, The reason so many games are getting DX12 patches after release is because that's when the dev's get the opportunity to play around with DX12 and get used to doing thing's the low level way. Eventually they'll become good enough and confident enough to leave DX11 behind and concentrate on using just DX12 to make their games.
It's a slow process but it is happening.