Charlie Gard

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I posted my views on page 1 or 2 in respect of this from the point of view of someone who lost a close relative with a terminal illness. An illness that resulted in my father living in a vegetative state.

First and foremost I do not blame the parents at all for extending their son's life with court hearing after court hearing etc. What they are clinging onto is two things :

1)Hope. Despite popular medical opinion that nothing can be done to save their son's life, and even if they could his quality is life would be that poor that it is cruel, the reality is for the PARENTS is that no one knows for sure. We are not talking about rolling the dice against the odds, we are talking about two parents who are trying to do EVERYTHING that they can do to try and give their most precious belonging a chance of life. God forbid any of us are in a similar situation ever but I know that if I was in their shoes I would take whatever chance I had, however slim. The parents also do not believe that their son is in any pain, how this can be measured in Charlie who is not able to respond at all is another thing, but they believe that their son is not suffering.For them there is no cost at the moment.

2)The fight. My mother looked after my bed ridden father for the last few years of his life so he could stay at home and have some form of normality in his **** poor existence. When my father eventually passed away apart from the physical presence of missing her husband, my mother missed most of all the daily struggle of trying to maintain his existence. In her head despite his suffering, it meant that he was still alive. The bed washes, the feed bags, the intravenous drugs administered daily, dressing him, shaving him, changing his TV channels, talking to him when she knew he could not communicate back. To let go of all of that meant let going of my father,and accepting the conclusion which eventually came. I suppose my point is that matters of the heart dont always see logic however much it is thrust upon them.

Sure the courts are there to protect Charlie and any other patient from relatives who might not make the right decision. These parents need closure themselves before they are willing to accept that Charlie is gone, they need to know that they have done EVERYTHING that was suggested to them to save their little boy's life. Its impossible for them to get closure by a doctor reading of his charts or his medical journal that this last hope might or might not work.

When they lose hope, everything is gone, and at the moment there is a chance, however small, however minute, however mathematically irrelevant that things could turn around for their son, and they would feel negligent to give up on that hope because it means giving up on their son. Just remember, they dont believe that their son is in any pain, for them the cost of this is nil.
 
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I know very little about this case. If they raised £1.3mil then why haven't they taken him to NY?
Hospital/courts won't let them, if you let one child go you have to let them all go. If he was allowed to go and the treatment did help then it would open the floodgates for parents to sue the NHS.
 
The latest http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40593286

The judge hearing the case of terminally ill Charlie Gard said it was "absurd" that a dispute over his head size was "undermining" the case.

Apparently the parents do not agree with the doctors on the size of his skull. They claim 2cm difference. Surely a hospital with X-rays is more accurate in measurements that the parents using a tape measure?
 
The latest http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40593286



Apparently the parents do not agree with the doctors on the size of his skull. They claim 2cm difference. Surely a hospital with X-rays is more accurate in measurements that the parents using a tape measure?

Measuring heads is pretty inaccurate tbh. We normally have 3 attempts and take an average.

Head growth could suggest some possibility of brain growth/developmental improvement. It's grasping at straws but I suspect the parents challenge everything.
 
Measuring heads is pretty inaccurate tbh. We normally have 3 attempts and take an average.

Head growth could suggest some possibility of brain growth/developmental improvement. It's grasping at straws but I suspect the parents challenge everything.
They do. I feel sorry foe the medical professionals on this one as its becoming more and more apparent that their opinions and expertise means about as much as a completely none medically trained parent.
 
I was reading a very good book about brain surgery (because I'm weird) recently, by Henry Marsh, who points out that in the American "Healthcare system" they have some tremendous technology and achievements under their belts, in terms of getting good outcomes in very difficult situations. However they encourage a way of thought that propagates a very aggressive regime in which they try and treat everything, especially in paediatrics, extremely difficult cases - no matter what the prognosis, compared to somewhere like the NHS, where the decision might be taken to simply 'leave things alone' and let nature take its course.

The result is, that whilst the Americans do some fantastic things in medical science, the bit you don't hear about is how they tend to leave an alarming number of wrecked patients in their wake - who would have been better off left alone, a few do well - but many don't and I fear that's what might happen here with Charlie Gard - there's an American team insisting that they can help, against all the odds and all the consensus - all of which overwhelmingly seems to point to it being a lost cause, but they won't accept reality - they have to have a go regardless of the financial/emotional cost to everyone involved.
 
Measuring heads is pretty inaccurate tbh. We normally have 3 attempts and take an average.

Head growth could suggest some possibility of brain growth/developmental improvement. It's grasping at straws but I suspect the parents challenge everything.

Skull ≠ Head though surely.

Who is paying all these legal fees for it to be in court?
 
Hospital/courts won't let them, if you let one child go you have to let them all go. If he was allowed to go and the treatment did help then it would open the floodgates for parents to sue the NHS.
It would be unethical for GOSH to facilitate a medical procedure that would prolong the child's suffering and provide no benefit. They are not covering their arses.
 
The child is severely brain damaged, blind, deaf and cannot breathe without the aid of medical equipment. The drug will not return much even it is was to have an effect. What sort of life is that. You feel sorry for the parents and like most parents will grasp at any straw if there is a chance of a cure. The doctors have had this child since last year and if they thought he had any hope they would continue but it is obvious he has not.
 
If he was my son I would be doing exactly what the Guards are.

I dunno... I'd like to think I'd be rational and take into account the doctors thoughts and what kind of life the child would have.

Blind, deaf, brain damaged and can't breathe properly. Any two of them is worth fighting for. But all 4? I don't think that's a life.
 
Just saw some footage of "Charlie's Army" and reading some of their comments... what a bunch of idiots. Put them all in the sea.

Stupidity and ignorance are the single biggest factors holding back human civilisation right now. The judicial system needs to end this farce once and for all and stop people using this poor little boy to advance their own agendas (and I'm sadly including the parents in that group at this point - desperate or not).
 
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