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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Killer7xx said:
I don't think die costs are that much of a problem for them. The 14nm process by Samsung has been in use for almost 2 years now, so it's most likely quite mature and yields are quite good. Polaris yields after the initial shortage last year were excellent and Ryzen supposedly has a 80%+ yield. It should be cheaper than a Fury X to manufacture, especially with no water cooler. .
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Without even talking about yields, just the size alone of the die creates a higher cost, this can be in no way compared to the Ryzen yield (especially not, those dies are wayyy smaller and very different), and when it comes to Polaris, that die is at least 2x and a bit smaller, yields will always be better on smaller dies, but let's admit that Vega yields are as good as Polaris, that card released at 240$ (8gb), there is no way that a Vega 500mm2 die (484 whatever) with 8gb of HBM2 will sell for 110$ more even on air, which is where people like AdoredTV seem to think it will be priced (1070) because of it's performance, as I said the Vega card will be a lot more engineered compared to the Polaris (and compared to the Fury X), just because of it's power draw alone.

Also note that i'm not talking in £ as that is irrelevant when it comes to pricing strategy, be it with AMD or Nvidia. How much the UK will be milked for is another question lol...

Killer7xx said:
They could probably undercut the 1080 by a decent amount and still make some reasonable profit. Remember Nvidia are currently operating on very fat margins, the 1070 should be sub £300 and the 1080 should be sub £400 just like with the 900 series.
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Nvidia's margins are irrelevant when it comes to the pricing, when going back to what AMD said, to paraphrase, they said they would basically price their CPUs and GPUs at a lower tier while having the same performance as the tier above, which is what they did with Ryzen, in march they knew the performance of their GPUs and CPUs no doubt about that. So the amount of profit Nvidia makes, or how Nvidia should price their GPUs doesn't matter in this context as they are setting their prices based on their competitors tier. At that time the 1070 was at 350$ MSRP and the 1080 499$, now yes I can most certainly see the Rx vega priced at 499$ on air (I see 599 for the AIO, 50$ cheaper than FuryX). IMO there are no 2 ways about it Vega air has to be very close to the Ti to succeed, because it's price just won't cut it. And yes Nvidia can lower the price of their GPUs by quite a bit if they want to, and AMD know that.

EDIT : What could happen though is the cut down vega which probably won't be that far from full vega perf, could be priced at 350$ to 399$ and could even possibly use GDDR5x (as I believe I read somewhere that Vega could run on HBM or GDDR), that could make for a good viable price/perf solution
 
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zornyan said:
970 had a £350 release price

980 had a £550 release price

970 aib cards were at £400ish with 980s hitting £600

after the recent price cuts, you can get a 1080 for £500 or a 1070 for £350 (even these forums had a post when the price drop hit at those very prices)

you do need to factor in the pound taking a hit thanks to brexit effecting our prices, and the recent mining boom.

GTX 980 price cut when the 980ti launched was £550-500

so basically if you had £500 you could have bought a GTX 980, or this year a GTX 1080.

you get the same level of card (obviously much much better performance) for the same cash.

Nvidia pricing the 1080 at sub £400 makes no sense, it was a new node and only recently have yields improved (hence the new titan Xp)

and who in their right mind would pay £270 for a 1060 when a 1070 is £300? at that point if you drop the 1060 price you'd have to say amd is gouging prices too since their both very close
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GTX 980 release price was closer to £430. I bought one in 2015 for £380. The 970 was under £300 at launch, close to £250 actually.
 
I think its going to be a shame if VEGA doesn't launch with a compelling reason for AMD as it will be another death nail in the high end GPU market and AMD. I don't want to see Nvidia run away with the market as they are charging absence prices because they can.

The power usage is a concern if those figures of 400-500 watts are correct as the price of electricity is forever increasing and that card outlay at the start is not its true price in the end after all. I think the best I can hope for from this launch is that they go for the bang for buck route and Nvidia cuts their 1080/1080 Ti prices to offset some of the sales to AMD. If so I will likely upgrade from my 1070 to a 1080 Ti. AMD burned me after the R9 x290 card with the dodgy memory and they would have to do something amazing to make me consider them.

VEGA does not fell like it will from what we know so far, but hey I would love them to prove me wrong.
 
Defiant306 said:
I think its going to be a shame if VEGA doesn't launch with a compelling reason for AMD as it will be another death nail in the high end GPU market and AMD. I don't want to see Nvidia run away with the market as they are charging absence prices because they can.

The power usage is a concern if those figures of 400-500 watts are correct as the price of electricity is forever increasing and that card outlay at the start is not its true price in the end after all. I think the best I can hope for from this launch is that they go for the bang for buck route and Nvidia cuts their 1080/1080 Ti prices to offset some of the sales to AMD. If so I will likely upgrade from my 1070 to a 1080 Ti. AMD burned me after the R9 x290 card with the dodgy memory and they would have to do something amazing to make me consider them.

VEGA does not fell like it will from what we know so far, but hey I would love them to prove me wrong.
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Yeah, I'm always monitoring. For the sake of not being wasteful. Though my PC doesn't use a great deal of power.
 
zornyan said:
970 had a £350 release price

980 had a £550 release price

970 aib cards were at £400ish with 980s hitting £600

after the recent price cuts, you can get a 1080 for £500 or a 1070 for £350 (even these forums had a post when the price drop hit at those very prices)

you do need to factor in the pound taking a hit thanks to brexit effecting our prices, and the recent mining boom.

GTX 980 price cut when the 980ti launched was £550-500

so basically if you had £500 you could have bought a GTX 980, or this year a GTX 1080.

you get the same level of card (obviously much much better performance) for the same cash.

Nvidia pricing the 1080 at sub £400 makes no sense, it was a new node and only recently have yields improved (hence the new titan Xp)

and who in their right mind would pay £270 for a 1060 when a 1070 is £300? at that point if you drop the 1060 price you'd have to say amd is gouging prices too since their both very close
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AMD are price gouging. They both are and its a shame because the bigger picture is less people are going to get pcs for gaming.
 
Its the retailors who are doing the gouging, because of the mining craze, as with everyone wanting about 100+ cards at a time, they've whacked em right up, and who can blame em.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Its the retailors who are doing the gouging, because of the mining craze, as with everyone wanting about 100+ cards at a time, they've whacked em right up, and who can blame em.
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Hmm very risky someone buying 100 cards is spending around 30k, during that time that person has also seen the price of the latest virtual currency crash by a third in the last 30 days as well as getting harder to crack. But you know what wise man once said:

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JediFragger said:
The price of being the popular choice I suppose.
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Or just they didnt give a huge supply to aib. Still waited weeks for only couple hundred here and there. I cba waiting and went with a fe that a snapped up quick which was in stock. Aib cards was just pre order only and people waited weeks for stock to come in and even then still didn't get cards. I saw loads of people cancel pre orders and try thier luck with different aib cards.
Anyways we all can guaretee AMD cards will sell well :D
 
It's a bit funny to read all the "OMG 400W" fuss.

First it's probably just a spike, as theres no way a compact water slapoed woukd keep the GPU at 49C and the VRM at 65C if it was consuming 400W.
Second: an overclocked 1080ti can consume 300-350W as well with 400W spikes.
 
Mtom said:
It's a bit funny to read all the "OMG 400W" fuss.

First it's probably just a spike, as theres no way a compact water slapoed woukd keep the GPU at 49C and the VRM at 65C if it was consuming 400W.
Second: an overclocked 1080ti can consume 300-350W as well with 400W spikes.
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Is a water slapoed really covfefe?
 
Mtom said:
It's a bit funny to read all the "OMG 400W" fuss.

First it's probably just a spike, as theres no way a compact water slapoed woukd keep the GPU at 49C and the VRM at 65C if it was consuming 400W.
Second: an overclocked 1080ti can consume 300-350W as well with 400W spikes.
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it was a sustained 400w just through the pcie cables, so not Including the 75w of the pcie slot.

also a 1080ti won't ever break 300w, yea the strix which has probably the best cooling on the 1080ti and highest clocks.


http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review,7.html

290w.

just incase people get confused, the different power limits on all these cards does nothing, you're still hard limited to 1.062v regardless of what card it is, you could get s gigabyte that says +300% power limit but it physically won't do anything due to voltage lock.

put it this way, sli GTX 1080 consumes 40w less than this vega card (possibly 100w less if power is being drawn through pcie slot too)
 
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