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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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Pc per podcast, the liquid cooled card has a switch to go from 300-350 watts mode which a lot of people weren't even aware of. Apparently the switch is so small you'd not even notice it, its shipped in the 300 watts mode.
 
Playing Witcher 3 on my Fury Nitro (non X) with Tri-X cooler makes that card really loud and hot. The room warms up in no time. For Vega I think the only way is AiO or custom loop.
Sounds like your case is the issue there. Can't say my Fury Pro ever spins up over 40% on the fans and occasionally hits 75C ish. It idles at 50C with no fan spinning.
 
Not saying there is anything wrong with it - but about 2 weeks or something before launch there was a back and forth between one of the Dice employees (Johan Andersson) who had a card for testing purposes and 1-2 people from AMD bigging it up as something truly ground breaking that would leave nVidia a wreck.
Ahh ok sorry I misinterpreted your post
 
I agree. I can't see the XTX being cheap for that reason. I think it might be the same price as the Fury X (£650) when it was released.

Weren't they actually supposed to be £509, but stock was so short worldwide, Ocuk ( and other retailers ) absolutely took the mick and charged £649.

Think I paid 420 ish for my Fury pro once the silly first month past.

** Edit i actually paid £449
 
Weren't they actually supposed to be £509, but stock was so short worldwide, Ocuk ( and other retailers ) absolutely took the mick and charged £649.

Think I paid 420 ish for my Fury pro once the silly first month past.

** Edit i actually paid £449

Yea it probably should have been around that as the RRP at the time was $649 which was the same as the gtx980ti release price. The £ to $ was around £1 for $1.50
 
Yep, I'm sure the tri x cooler would have handled a Fury x easy and cheaper
Yes it probably would have, but they probably wanted to keep it in a SFF format (even though a rad takes up space), they probably thought that it would catch on more, they were trying to sell high perf for matx builds and stuff like that, and at the time of it's release it was a pretty powerful (most powerful?) SFF gpu, the nano and the FX, the FX for the bigger itx cases
 
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Bulldozer was worse than Phenom, clock for clock. It's not like AMD could not possibly have regressed in gaming performance.

Like Rroff says, if they keep changing things up and hoping that developers will jump on board the "AMD Way" of doing things, and it doesn't happen, you're just left with a very inefficient, poorly-utilised architecture. If they just concentrated on releasing cards that work for the current paradigms, instead of re-inventing the wheel every time, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.

Same thing happened with Sony and Cell. Trying to force developers to switch to something all-new just doesn't seem to work out ;)

Are you kidding me? Amd has pushed forward gaming for many years its what they do. Not Amds fault nvidia has got grips over the gaming ecosystem nowa days. Just look back at past iterations of direct x. Its why amd wanted in on consoles. To try and help leverage them in the gaming industry and try to get thier hardware optimised for. Its not like AMD are making massive profits off the consoles lol they do it purley to get thier hardware out there and get it optimised for. Its same with ryzen, its actually good but because intel dominate the cpu ecosystem most software abd operating systems are optimised for intel. But slowly ryzen is getting optimisations and improving noticeably over what it was on release.
Look at intel panicking and now mixing up thier lineups because they made 8 core 16 threads affordable. Even 6 core 12 thread. Amd pushing things forward not sitting stale on the same old crap.
 
What amd need to do is focus on what matters, PERFORMANCE. Screw all this other crap, just concentrate on getting as much fps as possible rather than jamming in crap like tru audio and other gimmick that barely get used.
 
What amd need to do is focus on what matters, PERFORMANCE. Screw all this other crap, just concentrate on getting as much fps as possible rather than jamming in crap like tru audio and other gimmick that barely get used.

I'm sure at the start they do go about trying to nail the performance, and make total fools of themselves by marketing BS like "poor Volta". Then they realise how poor their design is and how crap it performs compared to the competition and early expectations, so they then beat on and try and sell the pointless gimmick crap on the card.
 
I'm sure at the start they do go about getting the performance. But when they make horrendous choices, they then realise hoe poor their design is and try and sell if with pointless fluff as the performance is never there.

The problem here is these gpu's as we know are designed a few years in the past, so its usually guesswork as to how things will pan out, simulations can only tell them so much. I just wonder if some of these gpu's are actually what they were intended to be or are they stopgaps because things didn't work out.

We all know how Polaris went, hardocp basically called out amd saying that the were full of it and Polaris was a gpu that never met clock expectations so they went with this whole "disruptive product" bs to sell the card. 2900xt was the same thing, it was meant to be a mega gpu, yet when it came out they had a whole "value for money" advertising campaign around it, and performance wise it barely beat out a 8800gts never mind the gtx, and it gobbled a lot more power.

Now we have Vega which a lot of people are seeing as a reworked Fiji, initially everyone thought Vega was supposed to be something totally new but that appears not to be the case. So have they shuffled around some road-map names and Vega was supposed to be something else? Is Vega really just a reworked Fiji core and if that's the case wtf took it so long to come to market, so far it appears to be a clock speed bumped Fiji with 4 more gigs of ram and not much else. The fact its been reported to be using modified Fiji drivers sort of reinforces that.

Still interested to see reviews when it finally hits, but personally to me it feels like something went wrong somewhere and this is more of a stopgap product given performance numbers for the FE versions so far.
 
The problem here is these gpu's as we know are designed a few years in the past, so its usually guesswork as to how things will pan out, simulations can only tell them so much. I just wonder if some of these gpu's are actually what they were intended to be or are they stopgaps because things didn't work out.

We all know how Polaris went, hardocp basically called out amd saying that the were full of it and Polaris was a gpu that never met clock expectations so they went with this whole "disruptive product" bs to sell the card. 2900xt was the same thing, it was meant to be a mega gpu, yet when it came out they had a whole "value for money" advertising campaign around it, and performance wise it barely beat out a 8800gts never mind the gtx, and it gobbled a lot more power.

Now we have Vega which a lot of people are seeing as a reworked Fiji, initially everyone thought Vega was supposed to be something totally new but that appears not to be the case. So have they shuffled around some road-map names and Vega was supposed to be something else? Is Vega really just a reworked Fiji core and if that's the case wtf took it so long to come to market, so far it appears to be a clock speed bumped Fiji with 4 more gigs of ram and not much else. The fact its been reported to be using modified Fiji drivers sort of reinforces that.

Still interested to see reviews when it finally hits, but personally to me it feels like something went wrong somewhere and this is more of a stopgap product given performance numbers for the FE versions so far.

Yep I kidding of course, just sometimes they seem so out of touch. They get it completely wrong time after time again.
 
The problem here is these gpu's as we know are designed a few years in the past, so its usually guesswork as to how things will pan out, simulations can only tell them so much. I just wonder if some of these gpu's are actually what they were intended to be or are they stopgaps because things didn't work out.

We all know how Polaris went, hardocp basically called out amd saying that the were full of it and Polaris was a gpu that never met clock expectations so they went with this whole "disruptive product" bs to sell the card. 2900xt was the same thing, it was meant to be a mega gpu, yet when it came out they had a whole "value for money" advertising campaign around it, and performance wise it barely beat out a 8800gts never mind the gtx, and it gobbled a lot more power.

Now we have Vega which a lot of people are seeing as a reworked Fiji, initially everyone thought Vega was supposed to be something totally new but that appears not to be the case. So have they shuffled around some road-map names and Vega was supposed to be something else? Is Vega really just a reworked Fiji core and if that's the case wtf took it so long to come to market, so far it appears to be a clock speed bumped Fiji with 4 more gigs of ram and not much else. The fact its been reported to be using modified Fiji drivers sort of reinforces that.

Still interested to see reviews when it finally hits, but personally to me it feels like something went wrong somewhere and this is more of a stopgap product given performance numbers for the FE versions so far.

We know it's not just a reworked Fury. In the pro benchmarks it's around twice as fast and in another I seen it was 4 times faster. We also know it's not a reworked Fury as the die size is far to big to be just that. It supports more dx12 features as well. It has plenty of new features as well. With all that said at least in the FE cards case the performance in games is not showing it where it should be and clock for clock it's the same as a Fury X.
 
Playing Witcher 3 on my Fury Nitro (non X) with Tri-X cooler makes that card really loud and hot. The room warms up in no time. For Vega I think the only way is AiO or custom loop.

This is a common misconception :) Water cooling is a better, quieter way to cool your system, but, your room will still heat up the same amount, it might take a little but longer, but the end result will be the same, a warm room.
 
We know it's not just a reworked Fury. In the pro benchmarks it's around twice as fast and in another I seen it was 4 times faster. We also know it's not a reworked Fury as the die size is far to big to be just that. It supports more dx12 features as well. It has plenty of new features as well. With all that said at least in the FE cards case the performance in games is not showing it where it should be and clock for clock it's the same as a Fury X.



Which 2 years on is pathetic IF that's how the rx card turns out. Maybe amd will surprise us with some black magic, but if this is representative of rx for the most part it might as well be a Fiji refresh for all its worth.
 
Which 2 years on is pathetic IF that's how the rx card turns out. Maybe amd will surprise us with some black magic, but if this is representative of rx for the most part it might as well be a Fiji refresh for all its worth.

Yep it will be hard to fathom. I heard they put a call out to Merlin last week so all will be fine on launch.
 
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