Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040
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why would the oil wars increase if demand lowers, there would be an abundance. Unless it goes the de beers way and they cut supply to keep the prices high
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We will all be flying around in jet pack wing suits.
Swap out the standardized power cells.
Glaucus pipe dream of car parks the size of a small city filled with thousands of people waiting for their car to recharge is never going to happen, it's simply unworkable on the scale that would be required (not to mention much worse than replaceable cells anyway). The only reason charging points are used on a small scale today is because it's the only option, once the batteries become standardised and can easily be swapped out for fresh ones that will quickly become the dominant standard.
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I've got three ebikes and a rail card - I'll be fine.
Problem is the swear filter blocked the URL
Just think about tech 23 years AGO circa 1994. Frankly everything was a bit **** compared to what we have today. I'm sure it will seem the same in 23 years time when we have a laugh about how the first electric cars could only do 100 miles.
Battery tech will increase to the point that most daily runs will be doable from a home charge rather than waiting in line at a service station/shops etc. Also renewable energy has increased over the last few years and will do so for 23 more years to the point where it is the bulk of energy production
Battery tech will increase to the point that most daily runs will be doable from a home charge rather than waiting in line at a service station/shops etc. Also renewable energy has increased over the last few years and will do so for 23 more years to the point where it is the bulk of energy production
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The future
TBH, I think personal car ownership will be gone by then for the majority of people. With the way autonomous car development is progressing I can see a point in the not too distant future where a car just arrives at your door in the morning to take you to work and then drives off to pick up someone else. You pay per mile driven.
I think Hydrogen powered vehicles (driving an electric motor) offer more promise for the future than electric vehicles. Hydrogen vehicles today don't need to spend hours charging, they produce no toxic pollutants and they are quieter than combustion engines.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...new-government-funding-for-fuel-cell-vehicles
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...new-government-funding-for-fuel-cell-vehicles
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There a loads of places in the UK where it is usually windy constantly.
Future C (as envisaged by Tesla): All electric cars charge via solar panels on the roof.
Future D (as envisaged by Uber): No-one owns a car. You order up a self-driving car when you need it. In the unlikely event that it runs out of charge, you move to another vehicle.
The car of 2040 is not going to function like the petrol car of 2017.
Energy suppliers are going to love it £££.
Petrol stations are not.
They will turn in to charging stations. I suspect at some point they will shrink and standardise batteries. So you'll pull up to a station and simply swap the unit over, then they will empty your wallet for that instead.
Only at sea. But that is even more a waste because you might as well spend the money on more efficient tidal, instead of building 10000s of turbines (which is what the government has stupidly decided to do)...
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Im not so sure to be honest, maybe 5 years ago everyone saw the battery pack as they future I dont think many do now.
Take the latest tesla, over 200 mile range, easily. How many journeys does the average joe make that are more than even 100.
They charge quickly as well, 30 mins for 80% charge. So drive a couple of hours, pull into a stop, plug in, swipe card, go for a pee and a coffee, takes what 15 mins or so. Your probably well past 50% again by that point, good for another 100 miles.
As glaucus says the tech is moving on fast. There are some batteries that charge almost instantly in labs, will they transition to main stream who knows, but they would be a game changer.
The other big disadvantage of packs is they are bulky, so don't fit into cars as well as the distributed model that cars designed from the ground to be elec only do, plus the manual effort of switching the battery. Plug in is almost service free, imagine pulling into a "battery station" going phew only 2 miles left on the gauge and seeing a sign saying "sorry battery changer broken" or "all batteries charging"
Worst case the system breaks down half way through changing your battery at 10pm on a sunday night, engineer will be out 8am Monday morning
I saw a demo of a system (computer mock up) that had around a 5 minute turn around time on the battery changes. Thats only 12 an hour, plus needed charged cells, footprint was massive.
IMO the future is a combo, charging points, plus the already being tested in road charging. So certain sections of road would have near field charging, such as main roads in and out of cities, so cars sat in queues at lights etc would be charging up, half the city could be a charging point
How they would control paying for this I dont know, maybe Esso would own stretches at some lights which you would have an account with, Total other stretches etc
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i say bring it on
It is 23 years away though - look at the state of mobile phones 23 years ago compared with today for example:
they'll probably be mostly automated by then too (though maybe not fully - I'd assume any automation could be manually overridden) and at least we could enforce driving bans etc.. through use of verification systems