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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Tee-hee! :D

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TNA said:
Seems you just want to see what you want to see. Point is one could have had this performance ages ago for the same price, not to mention on a card that runs more efficient. Vega came very late and did not improve price for performance like it should have. End of the day people complained Nvidia is milking us so people waited; over a year later now waiting those people will be rewarded by getting milked by AMD. lol.
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Errrmm.....nope. Not really.

Let's be honest here, both sets of fans will see and interpret what they want to see. Okay lets address your points :-

1) You couldn't have had the same performance ages ago for the same price.....simply because it wasn't the same price. The 1080 is a lot cheaper now than it was 15 months ago. In fact we all know that the 1080's were in the current 1080Ti price brackets (or there abouts) 15 months ago. Can't argue with the efficiency comment.

2) Vega (Just like Gandalf) turned up just when it said it would....it was only late if in relation to Pascal....not by anything AMD said. (please dont be petty about a month or so wait for AIB etc...as we all know there was a fair wait for 1080 AIB cards too - the Nvidia forum threads evidence that).

3) Nvidia milked (in the strongest sense of the word) their users over the 10 series cards (Founders Edition anyone). How can you say that AMD are now milking their fans by charging the same for brand new AMD tech (Dont forget there is 8GB of HBM2 in there....costly, yes) that Nvidia is charging for 15 month 'old' tech. That's hardly milking is it! In fact profit margins are probably going to be tight on the Vega cards.

Personally I wished Vega could have been a little better on performance (1080 Ti levels would have been nice), but with a few months of driver enhancements and optimisations we could still see it closer to the 1080Ti. Once again the same old stories and we go around the same old cycle of a gfx card launch....just like the Fiji launch (really aimed at the 980, not the 980 Ti) the Vega is aimed at the 1080 and is looking like it will narrowly beat it (Again it will be tit for tat depending on games) it was never aimed at the 1080Ti....however, once again Nvidia played the same old game and lets face it...we knew it was coming and so did AMD, so as I said a shame that it wasnt a little better out of the blocks and that the efficiency isnt better than it turned out to be. Hopefully it will be a little better if the rumour of the binned rasterizer/HBCC is true and we may get a little efficiency back when the features are brought into the next driver release (Apparently there are no Vega ID sets in 17.7.2).

I also think AMD have taken the less damaging option in the pricing. Lets be honest they didnt have too many options -

1) Price it $100 less than the 1080 and have Nvidia do a huge price drop, thus killing Vega at birth

2) Price it just about level and have Nvidia do no price drops and give Vega a fighting chance

With the cost of the HBM2 they do need to sell cards, so better to sell some rather than none at all.

:)
 
As it stands they either provide the attractive bundle in the EU/UK, or there is no incentive for me to purchase their product. Free games do not interest me.
 
i have a mg279q monitor so i am committed to AMD/freesync for now , so based on this i am sure a lot of people are in the same potion as myself how much of an increase in performance are we looking at to the current best amd card , would this be the fury X ?
 
Tom's hardware:

As an interesting side-note, it sounds like the pixel engine’s Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer, which we introduced back in January, is currently disabled on Radeon Vega Frontier Edition cards. However, AMD says it’ll be turned on for Radeon Vega RX’s impending launch. Don’t expect any miracles from the feature’s activation. After all, AMD is assuredly projecting performance with DSBR enabled. But a slide of presumably best-case scenarios shows bandwidth savings as high as 30%.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-specs-availability,35112.html
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maonayze said:
Errrmm.....nope. Not really.

Let's be honest here, both sets of fans will see and interpret what they want to see. Okay lets address your points :-

1) You couldn't have had the same performance ages ago for the same price.....simply because it wasn't the same price. The 1080 is a lot cheaper now than it was 15 months ago. In fact we all know that the 1080's were in the current 1080Ti price brackets (or there abouts) 15 months ago. Can't argue with the efficiency comment.

2) Vega (Just like Gandalf) turned up just when it said it would....it was only late if in relation to Pascal....not by anything AMD said. (please dont be petty about a month or so wait for AIB etc...as we all know there was a fair wait for 1080 AIB cards too - the Nvidia forum threads evidence that).

3) Nvidia milked (in the strongest sense of the word) their users over the 10 series cards (Founders Edition anyone). How can you say that AMD are now milking their fans by charging the same for brand new AMD tech (Dont forget there is 8GB of HBM2 in there....costly, yes) that Nvidia is charging for 15 month 'old' tech. That's hardly milking is it! In fact profit margins are probably going to be tight on the Vega cards.

Personally I wished Vega could have been a little better on performance (1080 Ti levels would have been nice), but with a few months of driver enhancements and optimisations we could still see it closer to the 1080Ti. Once again the same old stories and we go around the same old cycle of a gfx card launch....just like the Fiji launch (really aimed at the 980, not the 980 Ti) the Vega is aimed at the 1080 and is looking like it will narrowly beat it (Again it will be tit for tat depending on games) it was never aimed at the 1080Ti....however, once again Nvidia played the same old game and lets face it...we knew it was coming and so did AMD, so as I said a shame that it wasnt a little better out of the blocks and that the efficiency isnt better than it turned out to be. Hopefully it will be a little better if the rumour of the binned rasterizer/HBCC is true and we may get a little efficiency back when the features are brought into the next driver release (Apparently there are no Vega ID sets in 17.7.2).

I also think AMD have taken the less damaging option in the pricing. Lets be honest they didnt have too many options -

1) Price it $100 less than the 1080 and have Nvidia do a huge price drop, thus killing Vega at birth

2) Price it just about level and have Nvidia do no price drops and give Vega a fighting chance

With the cost of the HBM2 they do need to sell cards, so better to sell some rather than none at all.

:)
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It is priced decently cheaper than the majority of 1080's. Yes there are some between $510-550, however the bulk are still around the $550-600, the ones with the higher build quality and components, the ones that plenty will be buying.

Its a little more performance for a little less $.

Curios to see what the AIB partners do. I expect a brand tax a price bump of course.
 
maonayze said:
Errrmm.....nope. Not really.

Let's be honest here, both sets of fans will see and interpret what they want to see. Okay lets address your points :-

1) You couldn't have had the same performance ages ago for the same price.....simply because it wasn't the same price. The 1080 is a lot cheaper now than it was 15 months ago. In fact we all know that the 1080's were in the current 1080Ti price brackets (or there abouts) 15 months ago. Can't argue with the efficiency comment.

2) Vega (Just like Gandalf) turned up just when it said it would....it was only late if in relation to Pascal....not by anything AMD said. (please dont be petty about a month or so wait for AIB etc...as we all know there was a fair wait for 1080 AIB cards too - the Nvidia forum threads evidence that).

3) Nvidia milked (in the strongest sense of the word) their users over the 10 series cards (Founders Edition anyone). How can you say that AMD are now milking their fans by charging the same for brand new AMD tech (Dont forget there is 8GB of HBM2 in there....costly, yes) that Nvidia is charging for 15 month 'old' tech. That's hardly milking is it! In fact profit margins are probably going to be tight on the Vega cards.

Personally I wished Vega could have been a little better on performance (1080 Ti levels would have been nice), but with a few months of driver enhancements and optimisations we could still see it closer to the 1080Ti. Once again the same old stories and we go around the same old cycle of a gfx card launch....just like the Fiji launch (really aimed at the 980, not the 980 Ti) the Vega is aimed at the 1080 and is looking like it will narrowly beat it (Again it will be tit for tat depending on games) it was never aimed at the 1080Ti....however, once again Nvidia played the same old game and lets face it...we knew it was coming and so did AMD, so as I said a shame that it wasnt a little better out of the blocks and that the efficiency isnt better than it turned out to be. Hopefully it will be a little better if the rumour of the binned rasterizer/HBCC is true and we may get a little efficiency back when the features are brought into the next driver release (Apparently there are no Vega ID sets in 17.7.2).

I also think AMD have taken the less damaging option in the pricing. Lets be honest they didnt have too many options -

1) Price it $100 less than the 1080 and have Nvidia do a huge price drop, thus killing Vega at birth

2) Price it just about level and have Nvidia do no price drops and give Vega a fighting chance

With the cost of the HBM2 they do need to sell cards, so better to sell some rather than none at all.

:)
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1- 1080 has had it's price drop for quite a few months now. Also 1070 which the Vega 56 seemingly targets has around the same price since launch.

2- It is late, first they said Q2, did not happen, but okay lets say they managed to FE out, so that is fine. But then they said it would launch at SIGGRAPH (Lise Su said this and they made slide showing this at computex) and again they did not launch. So yes, they are late. They are late also because this performance and even greater have been available for ages by their competition.

3- Saying AMD are milking us with Vega maybe harsh I agree. But money is money and performance is performance at the end of the day.

It does seem like they went with a pricing where they will probably still sell what they are able to produce at this moment and as you say less damaging for them as Nvidia can easily cut prices. But it does no good for their image imo. You will see quite a few people here who usually always stick with AMD moving over to Nvidia now as they feel let down both by price and performance.


eddyr said:
It is priced decently cheaper than the majority of 1080's. Yes there are some between $510-550, however the bulk are still around the $550-600, the ones with the higher build quality and components, the ones that plenty will be buying.

Its a little more performance for a little less $.

Curios to see what the AIB partners do. I expect a brand tax a price bump of course.
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We will have to wait and see what the UK prices will be to say for sure really. Plus AIB cards will be more expensive as I understand it anyway, so they may not end up cheaper than a 1080 after all.
 
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Jono8 said:
What the hell? The bundle thing looks pretty confusing right now then!
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Everything is confusing after the slides and paper launch.
Bundle deal confusing for UK and EU.
Holocube deal confusing also.
Performance very confusing. how's possible a chip almost twice as big as the FuryX performing 30% more while consuming more power than stock 1000/500 FuryX. Hell my overclocked FuryX (1190/600) looks is just 10% slower than the liquid Vega 64. And having owned a watercooled 1080 @ 2190 last year, there is a 40% fps difference between 1100/550 FuryX and 1080 @ 2190.
Infinity Fabric on Vega, complete silence also which is confusing. If they showed something isn't reported by the rumour-outlets like the wccftech or too difficult technically to understand for them, so we don't know.
Am I annoyed? Yes. But that's how far I will go because not buying the product, yet, gives me the right to say just that.

Before any troll writes about the above and apply the usual religious zealotry, at least up to now always was on wait and see the gaming card, without jumping on the outrage AMD bashing wagon.

The outcomes personally are 3 from the Vega.
a) worthless upgrade over overclocked FuryX.
b) wtf
c) AMDs failing, (because of lack of budget) means Nvidia can happily put the prices up for the 1080ti and future products. But actually that isn't AMD failing, but all these (being polite) consumers who preferred inferior NV products over the years compared to AMD ones.
even today there are many in here who propose the 1050ti/1060 instead of the similarly priced AMD but far superior products, based on they religious beliefs.

For me personally the NV idea of crippling the performance of their gpus on the Ryzen machines, makes them the worst company to buy products for on moral grounds. (and i have intel cpu)

And those on 1070s who complained earlier this year about the pricing of the 1080ti, shouldn't be bashing AMD. Is hypocritical
 
It would be very easy for NVIDIA to to drive a nail into Vega’s coffin this late into Pascal’s lifecycle by dropping prices which will kill the lineup but I think even NVIDIA feels sorry for AMD here :p
 
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