Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Telecaster]

How much does a 580 use on average while mining? Gotta be above 100w hasn't it ? If it is and Vega can get 100 hasrate (or even 80) at 300w that would be a great solution for miners over a 580...

When dialled in for mining I think a 580 is about 100w ish, maybe under.

 

[AllBodies]

Around 80% of Nvidia's revenue comes from gaming. The other 20% is split between HPC, professional visualization, embedded, and automotive.
Actual HPC and compute market revenue is only around 10% of total revenue.

Nvidia is very much producing hips for gaming as their primary revenue source. There is still enough crossover between a gaming chip and compute applications that gaming can subsidize Nvidia's exploits in other market areas. At the current time, HPC and automotive is growing faster than the rest of nvidia is trying to aggressively push compute technology, but it is still firmly planted in developing a gaming chip that can be used for compute applications, not the inverse.

Even Volta GV100 at 800mm^2 still has things that are only useful for gaming like texture mapping units, ROPs, geometry processing, video decoder and a lot of transistors supporting DX features etc. Given GV100's size it would have been great to thro away all those useless transistors but the deisgn is too heavily based on a gaming product.

I expect in time Nvidia will continue to diverge the lines but for the time being, Nvidia develop gamign chips as its main focus. So does AMD.

I suspect the future of computing is more specific hardware for more specific purposes, rather than things with a large amount of generality. Much like Google's Tensor cores.

Although I assume MCM designs will have to be completely mainstream first, otherwise this approach would likely be far too expensive. As you'd need to design so many different chips, each of several sizes too.

 

[WeSbO]

As I said before, if AMD really cared about gamers not getting cards due to miners they could put lock in their drivers to lower performance for mining.

The article basically collaborates that: AMD unlock performance for miners in the latest drivers. Well, they did't have to, they can disable those changes when mining software is detected.

Of course AMD don't want to do that, because a sale is a sale.

AND they get the word out before launch ... They could have let consumers get their hands on the cards at launch, and the fact that it mines good would have come out naturally, but no they want everyone to know before launch ... They really want consumers to get these cards ...

Wouldn't even be surprised if they leak definitive mining performance proof themselves before launch...

 

[Nutty_Death]

If it goes on Mining on VEGA

http://www.nag.co.za/2017/07/10/amd...of-shortages-thanks-to-cryptocurrency-miners/

Based on the hashrate in that article. You would make, $35 a month.... Woohoo. You're better off mining ethereum as you'll make more and pay less upfront with cheaper cards.

 

[Nutty_Death]

This is wrong.

The stock speed of the 1070 memory is 8000 MHz, and 10,000 MHz stock for the 1080.

That's a 25% difference.

I run mine at around 9400mhz for mining with a 30% undervolt. It overclocks well.


If you look at 4K, to get rid of any CPU bottleneck, it's 116/94 = 23.4%

And it's also a 10-month old review with older games and older drivers.

 

[D.P.]

This is wrong.

The stock speed of the 1070 memory is 8000 MHz, and 10,000 MHz stock for the 1080.

That's a 25% difference.




If you look at 4K, to get rid of any CPU bottleneck, it's 116/94 = 23.4%

And it's also a 10-month old review with older games and older drivers.

Who buys a 1070 for 4K gaming?

You want a newer review? Then how about this from yetserday:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Mini/28.html
At 4K you are still onylat a 20% difference. Even with a heavily clock 1080 against a vanilla 1070 that is a 25% gain in an apples to oranges comparisons.

 

[HRL]

Did the Fiji Nano not match or exceed the R9 Fury in performance and even match the fury X in a lot of scenarios? All of this whilst having a lower TDP. Vega nano should be the same story, I'd expect it to be the full Vega 64 just with more aggressive undervolting and clocking to hit the optimal curve for perf/Watt.

Not if it's anything like the 1080Ti Mini. Been looking at that here:

https://be.hardware.info/reviews/74...edoorbraak-op-miniformaat-efficientie-koeling

Noisy and hot by the looks of it. Let's hope the Vega Nano is neither.

 

[Zeed]

Based on the hashrate in that article. You would make, $35 a month.... Woohoo. You're better off mining ethereum as you'll make more and pay less upfront with cheaper cards.

And what if you get card for gaming and when not gaming you are mining ??

 

[Jokester]

If you're a gamer, what's the problem?

 

[WeSbO]

Did the Fiji Nano not match or exceed the R9 Fury in performance and even match the fury X in a lot of scenarios? All of this whilst having a lower TDP. Vega nano should be the same story, I'd expect it to be the full Vega 64 just with more aggressive undervolting and clocking to hit the optimal curve for perf/Watt.

No at launch out of box it was consistently slower than both the fury and fury X, except at 1080p where it could match a fury

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9621/the-amd-radeon-r9-nano-review

Up to date reviews are harder to find, not a card that was included in all that many reviews... But it's performance isn't shocking the clocks were quite lower due to throttling. But a nano under water was just as good as a Fury X (obviously)

 

[FoxEye]

I went in their Cheshire Oaks store for a browse while my car was being serviced last year and they still had two packs of 3.5" floppies on display for £9.99, I **** you not.

Went in there yesterday to get a CMOS battery. £4. Just over the road Toolstation selling them for 80p

Lovely! lol

Yep, Gibbo will be pricing the Vega 56 not at £375, but £500 now.

I guess it'd mean RX480s/580s may come back down to a decent price again, as they'll all be snapping up the Vega cards.

I think mining actually has the capability of killing PC gaming. Making it ultra-niche, where the cheapest gaming cards are like £600-700 each.

There's no limit to the number of cryptocurrencies that can exist, and it seems when one loses popularity another springs up to take its place. Like bloomin Medusa. Or was it Hydra. Should have paid more attention in History lessons I guess

 

[WeSbO]

Isn't there some billionaire somewhere who can start selling really good GPUs designed for mining. Come on Musk, you founded Paypal go out and make some mining specific GPUs

 

[Jokester]

Isn't there some billionaire somewhere who can start selling really good GPUs designed for mining. Come on Musk, you founded Paypal go out and make some mining specific GPUs

Well yeah they were called ASIC chips. But then some bright spark decided that it meant that their GPUs were no longer competitive so came up with ASIC resistant crypto algorithms so that they could still make money out of their GPUs which has subsequently led to the industrlisation of GPU mining.

 

[WeSbO]

Did they do that because ASIC algos lowered the buy in price for mining currencies, meaning more miners would bring down the value of the currency ? Don't know much about mining, but i'm interested in why they would have done that, must be some logical reason

 

[AllBodies]

Who buys a 1070 for 4K gaming?

You want a newer review? Then how about this from yetserday:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Mini/28.html
At 4K you are still onylat a 20% difference. Even with a heavily clock 1080 against a vanilla 1070 that is a 25% gain in an apples to oranges comparisons.

I just meant look at 4K to eliminate the CPU bottleneck and look at the true potential of the card. If you look at 1600x900 you'd probably find there's no point buying above a GTX 1060.

And yes it's around 20% including old games, but if you isolate the newer games it's 25% on average, and occasionally 30%

 

[Jokester]

ASIC based miners offered hash performance that was miles better than GPUs.

 

[akarypid]

Sorry, I've been away from the thread, waiting for the dust to settle. I was hoping to get my hands on a Vega 56, but then I read this:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...vels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1

A member of Overclockers UK staff, Gibbo, has reported that AMD's Vega series cards offer some insane levels of mining performance with hash rates of between 70 and 100 per card. To put this into perspective RX 580 GPUs can achieve hashrates of around 26-29.
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Wtf? Is OcUK taking pre-orders? Is it possible to give priority to active forum members for 1 card?

Seriously, if this is true I can't imagine being able to get a Vega any time soon...

 

[Rezident]

For me I'm interested to see if true what AMD say about minimum frames higher than competition, HBCC and FP16.

If it matches current performance with higher minimums and a cheaper price. Then it's winning already.

It's gonna be a let down isn't it.

Yes it has that feeling alright.

 

[mahius]

to build up enough stock so they have enough for Gamers and Miners.

Lol, no such thing as enough for miners. At this rate, even 1080ti's will be at risk of losing stock and then Nvidia won't even need to bother trying to price their cards high, they can just sell 'mining edition cards' and swim in money.

You boys best get your pre-orders in asap!! Because there's gonna be **** all stock

Even without mining, there would have been **** all stock. Remember Fiji launch or Polaris launch? There's never been a launch with decent stock, even Nvidia GPUs too.

 

[WeSbO]

Even without mining, there would have been **** all stock. Remember Fiji launch or Polaris launch? There's never been a launch with decent stock, even Nvidia GPUs too.

But at least gamers could buy em even if the stock was low... I can see mining becoming a real big problem in the future, we might only be experiencing the beginning of the mining s**tstorm.

Anyone that really wanted one of those limited edition cards for their rig will be fugged lol...