Those are the "Asus Reference Card" Designs. Those clocks are the 1:1 exact same clocks AMD has posted for vega so far. The aftermarket cards shown in that page with the big cooler are listed above those where it says "TBD". We don't know what clocks the asus aftermarket cards are, they won't tell us yet.
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Those are the "Asus Reference Card" Designs. Those clocks are the 1:1 exact same clocks AMD has posted for vega so far. The aftermarket cards shown in that page with the big cooler are listed above those where it says "TBD". We don't know what clocks the asus aftermarket cards are, they won't tell us yet.
Right then let's be clear here, I'm disagreeing when people are saying "Vega was designed for professionals and gaming was an afterthought" when it clearly isn't and wasn't. I'm not talking about Nvidia. But Nvidia also design their architecture around gaming, and also have a higher tier full out professional design, that definitely does not mean that Nvidia do not design with gaming in mind, they very much do.
The matter of the fact is, Vega (AMDs top tier die no other chip above it) was designed for gaming AND pro, and wasn't an afterthought they designed Vega around gaming also. This video I showed you, he was talking about Vega and how the architecture is designed for gaming and has been for many years, because gaming is important to AMD, he wasn't talking about Polaris, he wasn't talking about Fiji, he was talking about Vega and went on to show how Vega is what they consider their first 4K60 gaming card.
Can we please put this "Vega wasn't designed for gaming" to bed because it is nonsense.
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https://hardforum.com/threads/rx-vega-reportedly-offers-insane-levels-of-mining-performance.1941118/
Hardocp are reporting on what gibbo said, linking to oc3d reporting on it, great.
Hardocp are reporting on what gibbo said, linking to oc3d reporting on it, great.
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Makes sense if the drivers were not finalised. Why put out buggy gaming drivers while the whole premise of the card was not for gamers. Sure you could game on it buy if the drivers were not ready to go on the gaming side why not push the pro side and then bring the final driver when fully ready. The final driver is said to enable features that aren't at this moment. What this means performance wise i have no idea but they did always say wait for the gaming RX Vega if you want to just game. Covers there behind quit nicely and got Vega to market just in time.
This is bad right? The miners are just going to push prices of everything up again, fabulous.
even tho the 1070 has a lower type of memory, its actually only less than 10% less on memory bandwidth than the 1080 as the memory clock speed on the 1080 is very low.
But yeah the gap between the 1070 and 1080 is bigger than it was from 970 to 980
I just have to disagree. These companies are about making money. And high end chip like Vega 10 sold in gaming market is only going to make a dent in what went cost of designing it. Where its going to make its money is professional market. So you design it there and hope its good for gaming. But lets not flood this thread, lets just agree to disagree.
Price point wouldn't, you said it yourself, miners will empty warehouses if they thought they could make a buck and a card that mines at the hash rate between 70 and 100 would be worth the FE price. If the figures are true, a miner could under volt the card and get even more hash rates per watt. Miners are already paying over £300 for cards that only do mid twenty hash rates.
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I think what people are trying to get over is Vega as an architecture was primarily designed at the pro market with gaming taking a back seat. Nvidia with there gp100 will never come out for gaming as it's loaded with things that would slow it down for gaming. GP102 strips all the non gaming features so allows for lower power and faster clocks. AMD designed a one fits all design and it seems more biased towards compute. It will still game very good and has some focused gaming features designed in but AMD need the money and compute is more lucrative compared to gaming. If AMD had the funds they would probably try something similar but atm they don't and have to compromise.
Still Vega looks like a decent proposition for those that want lastability as it trumps Pascal there for the money imo.
OLED may give better results but its not a requirement.
The only technical requirement for HDR is that the display can output the higher colour depth.
Now I dont know if you work for a tv/display manufacturer or affiliated in some way but you seem to be really trying to push that there is some kind of special extra hardware processing needed.
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sorry for me dragging the HDR stuff on as I know its not really on topic.
On the subject of the pricing and performance, if a vega56 can at least match a 1070 but looks like may exceed a 1070 and is cheaper, then yes there is a market, not for existing 1060+ owners, but for people on older generation cards, it adds an option thats an alternative to nvidia.
So perhaps this whole thing is not quite the disaster my earlier thoughts had me thinking it was.
On the subject of the pricing and performance, if a vega56 can at least match a 1070 but looks like may exceed a 1070 and is cheaper, then yes there is a market, not for existing 1060+ owners, but for people on older generation cards, it adds an option thats an alternative to nvidia.
So perhaps this whole thing is not quite the disaster my earlier thoughts had me thinking it was.
Actually in that video he points out just before that part, how high end gaming is very important because even though it represents a smaller market share the margins are way higher as opposed to the Polaris market which yield marginal profits. You should really watch that video I linked (from 31 minutes) you'll learn a lot about their goals.
Vega 10 Vega 11 Vega 12 Vega 20 are designed for gaming AS WELL as professional loads, that is fact, and every single top tier AMD gpu for the last decade has had gamers and pros in mind
AMD, to my knowledge, have never yet bought out a top tier chip that hasn't been on a gaming card and a pro card.
Raja said so, they are bringing specific Vega 10 cards out for gaming, it was designed for gaming. the GP100 was not for example, and was never talked about or marketed for consumers, the cut down GP102 was. That is a fact.
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Plastidip wasn't intended to be used on cars, but it is, and they capitalized on it and made a lot of profit. Same here for GPU makers. If they are making money, ESPECIALLY if they are badly needing revenue, they are going to sell to whoever the hell they can.
It is if you want those damn nice inky blacks that gives off piercing whites. Any low colour against inky blacks looks gorgeous. I'd love an OLED PC monitor. TV as well for that matter.
OLED's will give better black's vs other panel types regardless if HDR is in use or not 
My concern with OLED is that I have discovered there is variable levels of quality, the OLED on my S7 vs my S5 is noticeably lower quality, much less viewing angle, and more display lag. No idea if this corner cutting has been expanded to tvs and the like but is sad to see it happening.
My concern with OLED is that I have discovered there is variable levels of quality, the OLED on my S7 vs my S5 is noticeably lower quality, much less viewing angle, and more display lag. No idea if this corner cutting has been expanded to tvs and the like but is sad to see it happening.
Yeah but this the point Vega WAS NOT primarily designed for the pro market it was designed for both and every single top tier AMD GPU has always worked like that, AMD have only ever made "1 design fit all" chips. The difference here is that they have put an emphasis this time around on pro workloads because the gaming side of things wasn't that great... So they had to obviously market on something worthwhile.
People are just trying to come up with excuses for a lacking architecture...
Sheer volume of sales in the mainstream however usually more than make up the difference (though some high end products can be a big proportion of income). The real importance of higher end cards is brand perception, etc. which is often almost sub-conscious - in many cases people are already sub-consciously leaning towards the mid-range product that has a connection to a high end product versus another mid-range product that is more stand alone even when the stand alone product might have more going for it.
Look how many people due to brand perception, who don't actually have requirements that dictate their purchasing, will still buy or be very reluctant to buy anything other than an Intel CPU even in segments where AMD's Ryzen CPUs are a significantly better offering.
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