Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

Yas786 · 4 Aug 2017 at 11:36

fez said:
We paid £75m for the second top scorer in the PL last season who is a proven PL goal scorer. Did you forget about Arsenal spending £46m on a striker who isn't as good as Lukaku, is 2 years older and the jury is out on whether he will adapt to the PL. I know which one I would rather have.

Evidently you completely forgot the point I was trying to make. Probably because of your rage at me pointing out that you lot splurged £90mill for Lukaku.

The point that I was trying to make is that the prices for these players are getting ridiculous. A year or so ago, Lukaku wouldn't have gone for more than say £50mill. Same with Lacazette as well, and yes thanks for pointing out that Arsenal spent over £50 mill for a player lol. Whether or not he will do well isn't the point I was trying to make.

I do hope for your sakes Lukaku will do well otherwise it could be another Pogba, where you spent a lot of money but didn't get much in return.

Shamikebab · 4 Aug 2017 at 11:37

...you've not actually watched Pogba have you Yas.

FrankJH · 4 Aug 2017 at 11:50

Yas786 said:
The point that I was trying to make is that the prices for these players are getting ridiculous. A year or so ago, Lukaku wouldn't have gone for more than say £50mill. Same with Lacazette as well, and yes thanks for pointing out that Arsenal spent over £50 mill for a player lol. Whether or not he will do well isn't the point I was trying to make.
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Goal scorers always go for more money than nearly anyone else - and when there is a transfer between two clubs in the same league, again its more expensive than it would be otherwise.

There is absolutely no way in the world Lukaku would have gone for anywhere near £50m last summer because of the above (and remember his contract would have also been a year longer at that point which would have made it like for like more expensive than this summer)

fez · 4 Aug 2017 at 12:21

Yas786 said:
Evidently you completely forgot the point I was trying to make. Probably because of your rage at me pointing out that you lot splurged £90mill for Lukaku.

Nah, I just liked the fact that you picked up on two transfers you deemed ridiculous yet managed to forget about Arsenal spending £50m on a striker who would have illustrated your point just as well.

Yas786 said:
The point that I was trying to make is that the prices for these players are getting ridiculous. A year or so ago, Lukaku wouldn't have gone for more than say £50mill. Same with Lacazette as well, and yes thanks for pointing out that Arsenal spent over £50 mill for a player lol. Whether or not he will do well isn't the point I was trying to make.

I do hope for your sakes Lukaku will do well otherwise it could be another Pogba, where you spent a lot of money but didn't get much in return.

Pogba hasn't justified his price yet but you obviously haven't watched him much in a United shirt if you think we haven't got much in return. Lukaku would have gone for £60m+ easily last season, potentially more. Scoring the number of goals he did at a team like Everton isn't easy.

Yas786 · 4 Aug 2017 at 12:23

Shamikebab said:
...you've not actually watched Pogba have you Yas.

I have and still of the opinion that he hasn't justified the price you paid out for him a year.

Not saying he's no good, he is but for the money that you spent on him. I would expect more.

Maybe this year will be the year he finally shows what he is capable of.

The Running Man · 4 Aug 2017 at 14:27

fez said:
That is the definition of priceless. Getting rid of him would have been good enough for me but also getting rid of his massively massively ridiculous wages is almost as important. I imagine that Rooneys wages have paid for the wages of all three of our signings easily. ******* David Moyes.

If we have paid him off technically we haven't gotten rid of his wages, just paid them up early.

dannyjo22 · 4 Aug 2017 at 15:21

fez said:
Scoring the number of goals he did at a team like Everton isn't easy.

Indeed, but it will be harder at united as Lukaku likes a ball played through on the ground to run onto. He's not so good with a long ball.

Tombstone · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:55

With Lallana now injured for the next 3 months its even less likely that Klopp will let Coutinho go.

BaZ87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 19:17

Just to add fuel to the fire, as well as Lallana, Coutinho has supposedly picked up a knock and will miss tomorrow's friendly.

We were already short in midfield but with Lallana being out for so long we've got to bring another midfielder in now.

edit: a few reports that Barca are close to agreeing a deal for Dembele.

MissChief · 4 Aug 2017 at 20:24

BaZ87 said:
Just to add fuel to the fire, as well as Lallana, Coutinho has supposedly picked up a knock and will miss tomorrow's friendly.

We were already short in midfield but with Lallana being out for so long we've got to bring another midfielder in now.

edit: a few reports that Barca are close to agreeing a deal for Dembele.

I'm not sure Celtic should let him go for less than £50m

BaZ87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 20:36

Forgot about their Dembele. What happened to the mega money move to the PL that was being touted about? Seems like it was talk coming from Celtic trying to drum up interest.

Yas786 · 4 Aug 2017 at 23:19

So the reported loyalty bonus that was meant to be paid to Neymar, will no longer be paid lol. Seeing as he didn't keep to the 4 conditions that were set.

Not really sure if Neymar will be all that bothered. Meant to be 26mill euros which is what?? £23mill or thereabouts.

MissChief · 4 Aug 2017 at 23:23

BaZ87 said:
Forgot about their Dembele. What happened to the mega money move to the PL that was being touted about? Seems like it was talk coming from Celtic trying to drum up interest.

I believe they've always said they wanted him to stay. Mind you if he again plays well in the Champions League campaign he could rise £10 million for next summer easily. Celtic have developed a knack for taking players from the Championship or abroad, developing them and then selling them on for a large profit.

Snax · 5 Aug 2017 at 12:05

Who is going to replace Neymar at Barca? They're a first team player down- will they promote from within or hit the transfer market or change formation? Coutinho doesn't seem to be a like for like replacement. Ali and Hazard would be more comparable.

That Dembele guy in Dortmund seems to be massively overrated. He doesn't even have a good YouTube highlights reel!

BaZ87 · 5 Aug 2017 at 12:14

Dele Ali? He's hardly a natural a natural left sided forward is he? And Dembele's not overrated - he's incredibly raw but he's hugely talented.

Jimbeam3678 · 5 Aug 2017 at 12:36

BaZ87 said:
Dele Ali? He's hardly a natural a natural left sided forward is he? And Dembele's not overrated - he's incredibly raw but he's hugely talented.

Hazard is though, I'd have him down to go to Barca without a seconds thought. Doesn't strike me as having a ounce of loyalty similar to Adebayor in that respect.

BaZ87 · 5 Aug 2017 at 12:49

Jimbeam3678 said:
Hazard is though, I'd have him down to go to Barca without a seconds thought. Doesn't strike me as having a ounce of loyalty similar to Adebayor in that respect.

Agree, he is and would be one of the most logical replacements but as I've been trying to say regarding Coutinho, Barca need to persuade Chelsea too. Chelsea are under no pressure to sell Hazard and although Hazard appears like somebody more likely to kick up a stink, ultimately if Chelsea hold firm he'll have no choice but to knuckle down come September 1st.

The only way I can see Barca being able to sign Hazard (or Coutinho) is if they offer way over what most of us would consider a fair value. I'm not convinced they will or whether they even could if they wanted to.

opethdisciple · 5 Aug 2017 at 15:15

Combat Fighter said:
Just seen that Neymar will be on £782,000 a week!

Wow that's some serious money for just one player. Totally bonkers!

Similar to my wages then.

BaZ87 · 5 Aug 2017 at 16:16

Not directly transfer news but in our final pre-season game we're starting with Moreno at LB and Milner in midfield for the first time (45mins vs Stoke aside) since the end of the 15/16 season. Is this a sign of what's to come and Klopp plans to solve our shortage of midfielders by keeping Moreno and moving Milner back into midfield?

BaZ87 · 5 Aug 2017 at 21:04

Moses said:
It'd make sense in a way if they do that for a year and then get Keita next summer when he'll cost loads less than they were willing to pay this summer... I think it's been reported as around £48m. The alternative is to buy someone else entirely, or buy a stop gap before getting him next year which would obviously be an expensive way of doing it.

That assumes we can get Keita next summer. You only have to look back to last summer and our pursuit of Dahoud to see that's far from certain - we were supposedly set on getting him and when we couldn't agree a deal all the talk was that we'd return this summer to sign him but he's now a Dortmund player. If Keita is as good as they say and has another season like last season then the fight for his signature will be far harder than this summer.

Milner doesn't solve our midfield problems either. We have just Henderson and Can as our only 2 midfielders that don't look out of place playing in a holding midfield role and even they aren't 100% natural holding midfielders. Even if you ignore Henderson's injury problems over the last 2 years, that's not enough. We're an injury away to being down to the barebones. We've seen Wijnaldum play the holding role a couple of times in pre-season but he doesn't look comfortable there and it's not a surprise - 12 months ago he was an attacking mid come forward. It's not even as if we've got a youngster that can fill in there now Stewart has been sold (not that he was young).

The fact that we've lost both Lucas and Stewart without replacing them also limits our options in the other 2 midfield roles too. With greater cover in the holding role, Henderson and Can suddenly become possible options in the other 2 midfield roles. As it is, with Lallana now out for 2-4 months we're left with Wijnaldum, Coutinho & Milner then the likes of Woodburn, Grujic and Ejaria. Given that Coutinho is also an option in the front 3 and the most obvious replacement to either Mane or Salah should they get injured, you're suddenly left with just Milner, Wijnaldum and 3 kids.

If we don't sign another midfielder this window I'd be surprised and more than a little worried. Ideally we need another wide forward to give us the luxury of playing Coutinho anywhere we want, a holding midfielder and a CB. Bare minimum we need a CM and a CB though.