Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

killem said:
100% This.Karma for the way Liverpool went about trying to sign VvD.All the Fans and ex players in the media and twitter saying Saints should bend over and get shafted when a big club comes calling for your star player who is under contract for 5 more years now let see what happens when it's happening to them.
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Did anybody say Southampton should bend over and accept their fate? A lot of people expected and still expect Southampton will eventually agree to sell but because it's in their interests. VvD staying or going isn't likely to make a huge tangible difference to the outcome of Southampton's season and Southampton have proven over the last few seasons that they accept their role of signing young promising players, getting the best out of them and selling them on for big money. They've never shown an appetite to keep their best players and look to build and compete with the sides above them.

At this stage in the day, unless Barca come up with an offer that's too good to refuse, I'm not sure how it would be in Liverpool's interest to sell and why I suspect they won't.

I'm not convinced Southampton will either btw.
 
BaZ87 said:
Did anybody say Southampton should bend over and accept their fate? A lot of people expected and still expect Southampton will eventually agree to sell but because it's in their interests. VvD staying or going isn't likely to make a huge tangible difference to the outcome of Southampton's season and Southampton have proven over the last few seasons that they accept their role of signing young promising players, getting the best out of them and selling them on for big money. They've never shown an appetite to keep their best players and look to build and compete with the sides above them.

At this stage in the day, unless Barca come up with an offer that's too good to refuse, I'm not sure how it would be in Liverpool's interest to sell and why I suspect they won't.

I'm not convinced Southampton will either btw.
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It Was Stated before the End of last season by our DoF and Chairman that Southampton had paid back the funds katharina liebherr had loaned the club and did not need to sell this summer and were looking to fine tune the squad to challenge for european football every season. The selling the club has done previously has been to fund the development of our Training ground and youth academy which went over budget in the cortese era.

Since the Van Dijk story first broke it seems the media has had every living Ex Liverpool player make some comment either on talksport twitter or print stating that they will get him and saints have no say in the matter so I think Southampton will not sell him to liverpool as the fan base backlash would not be good for the club.
 
killem said:
It Was Stated before the End of last season by our DoF and Chairman that Southampton had paid back the funds katharina liebherr had loaned the club and did not need to sell this summer and were looking to fine tune the squad to challenge for european football every season. The selling the club has done previously has been to fund the development of our Training ground and youth academy which went over budget in the cortese era.

Since the Van Dijk story first broke it seems the media has had every living Ex Liverpool player make some comment either on talksport twitter or print stating that they will get him and saints have no say in the matter so I think Southampton will not sell him to liverpool as the fan base backlash would not be good for the club.
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As I said, a lot of people expected and still expect Southampton to sell because that's what the club have done for years. I don't think anybody said Southampton have to though.

If Southampton as a club have taken a change of stance and are now looking to build then fair enough but no club announces that they have to sell and as I mentioned earlier today, a Southampton based journalist has began hinting that Southampton might sell if the price is right.
 
Yeah they would sell for £70 Million + and would have at the start of the transfer window but due to Liverpool meeting with the player before asking for permission to do so. Then the club finding out due to some one at Liverpool Texting the club with some info rather than Van Dijk's agent making Southampton then report liverpool to the FA changed everything.

Now to apease southampton Liverpool made a public apology and they stated they had no further intrest in VvD. VvD has stated he wants to join Liverpool so Chelsea, City etc have now looked elsewhere. So now you have the mess we have now as Liverpool as a Club has acted very badly.
 
killem said:
Yeah they would sell for £70 Million + and would have at the start of the transfer window but due to Liverpool meeting with the player before asking for permission to do so. Then the club finding out due to some one at Liverpool Texting the club with some info rather than Van Dijk's agent making Southampton then report liverpool to the FA changed everything.

Now to apease southampton Liverpool made a public apology and they stated they had no further intrest in VvD. VvD has stated he wants to join Liverpool so Chelsea, City etc have now looked elsewhere. So now you have the mess we have now as Liverpool as a Club has acted very badly.
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You don't actually believe that, do you? Maybe it doesn't get much publicity because Southampton aren't as big as Liverpool but earlier this summer Caen threatened to report a number of clubs, reportedly including Southampton to FIFA for tapping one of their players up and Southampton actually signed Mane from Salzburg under very similar circumstances to the VvD situation - he too went on strike to force the move.

If Southampton genuinely are upset about the tapping up then they're massive hypocrites. I strongly suspect they're not though and their statement was tactical - either because they genuinely don't want to sell and wanted to scare people off or to improve their bargaining position in any possible negotiation. The only reason Liverpool apologised was because it was only a couple of months ago that they got done for illegally approaching a youth team player from Stoke - it seems the FA are clamping down on this at youth levels. The FA/PL looked at Southampton's complaint and took no action anyway.
 
BaZ87 said:
You don't actually believe that, do you? Maybe it doesn't get much publicity because Southampton aren't as big as Liverpool but earlier this summer Caen threatened to report a number of clubs, reportedly including Southampton to FIFA for tapping one of their players up and Southampton actually signed Mane from Salzburg under very similar circumstances to the VvD situation - he too went on strike to force the move.

If Southampton genuinely are upset about the tapping up then they're massive hypocrites. I strongly suspect they're not though and their statement was tactical - either because they genuinely don't want to sell and wanted to scare people off or to improve their bargaining position in any possible negotiation. The only reason Liverpool apologised was because it was only a couple of months ago that they got done for illegally approaching a youth team player from Stoke - it seems the FA are clamping down on this at youth levels. The FA/PL looked at Southampton's complaint and took no action anyway.
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With Caen we were one of three clubs showing interest in a player and They didn't threaten to report anyone specifically so Im sure if they had evidence it was southampton they would have stated that it was us. Mane we made an offer and it was refused he wanted a move and striked we did not tap him up before making the offer.


got done for illegally approaching a youth team player from Stoke says it all really.
 
killem said:
With Caen we were one of three clubs showing interest in a player and They didn't threaten to report anyone specifically so Im sure if they had evidence it was southampton they would have stated that it was us. Mane we made an offer and it was refused he wanted a move and striked we did not tap him up before making the offer.


got done for illegally approaching a youth team player from Stoke says it all really.
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You actually believe that Southampton haven't spoke to a player prior to making a bid? Keep kidding yourself.

Mane went on strike without speaking to Southampton, knowing what their plans were or how much they were going to pay him. You sure?
 
killem said:
Yeah they would sell for £70 Million + and would have at the start of the transfer window but due to Liverpool meeting with the player before asking for permission to do so. Then the club finding out due to some one at Liverpool Texting the club with some info rather than Van Dijk's agent making Southampton then report liverpool to the FA changed everything.

Now to apease southampton Liverpool made a public apology and they stated they had no further intrest in VvD. VvD has stated he wants to join Liverpool so Chelsea, City etc have now looked elsewhere. So now you have the mess we have now as Liverpool as a Club has acted very badly.
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They've acted in more or less the same way every club acts. Frankly I'm not quite sure what's wrong with talking to a player before talking to their club. Regardless of whether a club directly talks to a player, or whether they leak their interest to the media, if a player wants to move they'll push for it. I think the rules around tapping up should be rescinded; they offer nothing, and just lead to clubs acting more slyly than is necessary.
 
BaZ87 said:
You actually believe that Southampton haven't spoke to a player prior to making a bid? Keep kidding yourself.

Mane went on strike without speaking to Southampton, knowing what their plans were or how much they were going to pay him. You sure?
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All clubs enquire with agents about a players availability but thats different to having players travel up to blackpool and meet with klopp in a hotel.
 
killem said:
All clubs enquire with agents about a players availability but thats different to having players travel up to blackpool and meet with klopp in a hotel.
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https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...s-with-sanctions-for-tapping-up-yann-karamoh/
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ent-is-tapping-up-in-football-transfers-today

The long and the short of it is that players will talk to people. Even if they don't, their agents will. Why bother trying to stop it? In fact, what's even wrong with it? If I want to move jobs, I'll talk to recruiters and other potential employers. What's the difference?
 
manic111 said:
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...s-with-sanctions-for-tapping-up-yann-karamoh/
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ent-is-tapping-up-in-football-transfers-today

The long and the short of it is that players will talk to people. Even if they don't, their agents will. Why bother trying to stop it? In fact, what's even wrong with it? If I want to move jobs, I'll talk to recruiters and other potential employers. What's the difference?
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Your employer, unless in very specialised and rare fields, won't have a fixed term contract, potentially lasting many years that prevents you from speaking to or being employed by other companies.
 
MissChief said:
Your employer, unless in very specialised and rare fields, won't have a fixed term contract, potentially lasting many years that prevents you from speaking to or being employed by other companies.
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This. These Players and the Agents they employ are happy to sign improved long term contracts and expect the clubs to honour them to the letter but behind the scenes ignore the rules when a richer club comes calling. Then these richer clubs think its ok when they do it but when the next tier richer club comes calling its not ok.

The Whole football industry really needs to be looked at.
 
killem said:
This. These Players and the Agents they employ are happy to sign improved long term contracts and expect the clubs to honour them to the letter but behind the scenes ignore the rules when a richer club comes calling. Then these richer clubs think its ok when they do it but when the next tier richer club comes calling its not ok.

The Whole football industry really needs to be looked at.
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What rules are these? If Club A comes out to the press and says they want Player B, and Player B says that they want to leave their club, that is not against the rules. My point is why prevent clubs talking directly to players when they can get around that issue pretty easily in any event? It just adds a completely useless layer of complexity.

And players only sign long term contracts because they are offered them by their clubs. Whose fault is that?
 
manic111 said:
What rules are these? If Club A comes out to the press and says they want Player B, and Player B says that they want to leave their club, that is not against the rules. My point is why prevent clubs talking directly to players when they can get around that issue pretty easily in any event? It just adds a completely useless layer of complexity.

And players only sign long term contracts because they are offered them by their clubs. Whose fault is that?
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New Long term contracts are offered if the Market value of said player rises due to performance or the players current contract is close to expiring as the club does not want that player to move on for no fee. This works only if the player honours the contract. But when a player goes on strike or says his head is not right and is not fit to play makes said contracts a joke.
 
killem said:
All clubs enquire with agents about a players availability but thats different to having players travel up to blackpool and meet with klopp in a hotel.
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Assuming that's true, in reality what's the difference between a club talking to the agent and to the player directly? The exact same conversations are taking place - discussions about contracts, game time, role within the squad etc. If anything it's better to talk to a player than their agent, at least that way the player is making his decision himself rather than a buying club telling their agent that they'll pay him x amount to persuade his player to join them.
killem said:
This. These Players and the Agents they employ are happy to sign improved long term contracts and expect the clubs to honour them to the letter but behind the scenes ignore the rules when a richer club comes calling. Then these richer clubs think its ok when they do it but when the next tier richer club comes calling its not ok.

The Whole football industry really needs to be looked at.
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This works both ways though. When a club want to sell a player that's not performing they want that player to leave straight away when they too agreed to that 5 year contract a year ago too.

Maybe a discussion for another day but I wouldn't be surprised if we're seeing the beginning of the end of transfers as we know it and in 10 years there no longer are transfer fees.
 
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