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7800X so slow ....
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I've had my fun. Coffeelake is my next CPU I think.
Not really anything special going on here, rainbow six could run well on a potato.
you spelled Ryzen wrong, in before potato fanboys!
ok thats my one intel fanboy post out the way
I'm in a bit of a funny position as I don't really "need" more than 8 cores/threads on any one system and even when I'm multi-tasking additional cores/threads won't entirely eliminate the impact of one task on another i.e. trying to play a game at the same time as another CPU/IO heavy task. I would still just throw some stuff over to my i7 laptop and leave it going. But if I'm upgrading I'm not going to go for less than 8 real cores - if I'm gonna spend money I want more than 4/8 or 6/12 - I want to feel like I'm actually upgrading :s
what about the new i7 x299 chips? I know the crazy priced i9 x299s are for professional use but the i7s are reasonable priced, can they be used for gaming?
Sure they can. They are the fastest quad core cpu for gaming.
I wouldn't recommend buying it yet, coffeelake is due soon with 6cores 12 threads for a similar or even cheaper overall price due to the x299 motherboards.
I'm still firmly in the belief that unless you like to waste money, or have to have the extra FPS for 144Hz gaming at whatever resolution (not taking any productivity in to account), buying any Intel 6 core CPU is just throwing money away, when you could be putting the funds towards better GPU/Memory/Disk Subsystem/More Games/Beer/Anything Else.
The 7800x is the highlight of how terrible the value for money can get with the x299 platform, in some respects surpassing the 7740. If you play games, at anything around/above 1080p, and use normal refresh rates (up to 120Hz) then the fact that an R5 1600 is the same speed on average across such a wide sample of games, just proves this point.
*Comment not targeted at people who throw money around, for no reason other than they like to waste it/willy wave at all the carp they have bought but don't really need/use
The 7800x is the highlight of how terrible the value for money can get with the x299 platform, in some respects surpassing the 7740. If you play games, at anything around/above 1080p, and use normal refresh rates (up to 120Hz) then the fact that an R5 1600 is the same speed on average across such a wide sample of games, just proves this point.
*Comment not targeted at people who throw money around, for no reason other than they like to waste it/willy wave at all the carp they have bought but don't really need/use
ok, so the 7800x matches the 1600 for gaming, fine, but then owns it in everything else? right so what if someone wants to do more than just game?
As i have said before, its about choice, if you want to save money and just play games then you could go one way, if you want better performance in other things then you could get the 7800 and not sacrifice games.
or if you just like the overclocking and tweaking side of the x299 which i can personally say is good fun.
As i have said before, its about choice, if you want to save money and just play games then you could go one way, if you want better performance in other things then you could get the 7800 and not sacrifice games.
or if you just like the overclocking and tweaking side of the x299 which i can personally say is good fun.
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ok, so the 7800x matches the 1600 for gaming, fine, but then owns it in everything else? right so what if someone wants to do more than just game?
As i have said before, its about choice, if you want to save money and just play games then you could go one way, if you want better performance in other things then you could get the 7800 and not sacrifice games.
or if you just like the overclocking and tweaking side of the x299 which i can personally say is good fun.
Or just get a Ryzen 7 1700 and overclock that??
Also,with the 6C/12T Coffee Lake CPUs out soon,that is going to make the 7800X look overpriced for what it is. So at the budget end you have the Ryzen 5 1600 and at the other end the Core i7 8700K.
well i agree to some extent, 6 core coffee looks good. but depending on future plans you could upgrade the (quad channel memory based remember) 7800x to something higher later. its all about choice, which is a good thing. I do feel that some of the amd fans around here seem to be so glad that amd have finally given us something good that they have gone into overdrive to belittle not just intel, but those who would buy them. i guess the many many years of AMDs irrelevance has taken its toll on their minds
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The problem is X299 is hitting the same issue Ryzen has with gaming,non-gaming performance is better out of the box than gaming performance and it will take time for companies to optimise for them in games and drivers. Even after some improved motherboard BIOSes,you can see how performance looks better especially in games now. However,Ryzen is much cheaper so can be forgiven for this and has been disruptive due to this(even Intel kind of said it would be to a degree),but X299 is priced highly and sadly has competition from consumer socket CPUs Intel is making.
If anything this all hints at Intel pushing forward releases or at least pushing clockspeeds,and all of them are kind of crashing into each other now.
If anything this all hints at Intel pushing forward releases or at least pushing clockspeeds,and all of them are kind of crashing into each other now.
It's funny, how people can perceive that a £349 CPU, with the cheapest £215 board, and a terrible AIO, call it £60, so total cost circa £615, is any where near worth bothering against a £188 CPU, with an £80 board, and a decent free cooler, total cost circa £270.... LESS THAN HALF THE COST! 
These reviewers don't push cache on 7800X and so on so these graphs are not correct. Ryzen gets a cache bump with any memory oc at all.
The i9 cpu's all benefit a lot from cache overclocking to help with the new architecture.
The i9 cpu's all benefit a lot from cache overclocking to help with the new architecture.
i'm happy with them pushing clocks, very happy to have 4.8 on my 7900 at a good voltage (1.245) with better ipc than my 4770k which was also at 4.8 (also naturally far better multi core perf)
It's funny, how people can perceive that a £349 CPU, with the cheapest £215 board, and a terrible AIO, call it £60, so total cost circa £615, is any where near worth bothering against a £188 CPU, with an £80 board, and a decent free cooler, total cost circa £270.... LESS THAN HALF THE COST!
again, cost isn't everything for some people, for some its nothing. also the 'decent free cooler' and 'terrible AIO'? hah right..
no idea why people seem not to listen to 8-pack, who has far more experience on hardware than most of us ever will.
