Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

[rubberduck]

Also why was there still a small dragon skeleton in the dragon pit? Surely it would be worth something and would have been picked clean by trophy hunters etc.?

 

[oweneades]

Honestly it was the scene where they were all in KL / Dragon pit which made me think; hang on, weren't you just somewhere else?!

I think it was more that I didn't recognise the castle rampart shot as being KL (normally the focus there is on the Red Keep).

As said I enjoyed the episode overall though.

 

[Sunbed]

I just assumed it was higher temperature flame...blue flame is generally hotter than red/yellow, there are exceptions of course.

I think you will find the Night King researched the Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade which gives +5 damage vs light units.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

• Cerseis valonqar is the child inside her (if she's not faking). It will kill her during childbirth which will be all sorts of poetic.

That would be brilliant and seems likely if she is indeed pregnant.

I wonder whether the dragons will survive?

 

[DrToffnar]

That would be brilliant and seems likely if she is indeed pregnant.

I wonder whether the dragons will survive?

I'd say it's unlikely given the foreshadowing we got in the dragon pit. That exchange between her and Jon seemed way too foreboding.

I think they'll beat the walkers and all magical will disappear with them. Not sure how that's likely to come about though.

 

[Mak3R]

I wonder whether the dragons will survive?

I was thinking this too. After it's all done and dusted I wouldn't be surprised if they are used to help win, then die off somehow/get killed in the process. So that the world is magical creature free again.

 

[opethdisciple]

We kind of knew this was how it was going to go though didn't we. All three houses at war but then band together against the dead.

Seems like there will be a few tests and turns along the way but we've known this for at least a few years now.

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I like the fact the dead now have a dragon. It didn't dawn on my for a little while after they killed the dragon that they would be able to resurrect it!

 

[Greboth]

Oh were they at KL? I thought they were somewhere else (one of the other major castles based on the panning shot).

If that is the case that does explain it.

As efoir said, it's probably just sloppy scripting / editing that caused the confusion. I didn't realise it was KL either though guessed when we saw Jamie and Bronn were at KL. Though it was somewhat explained in Cersei's questioning of where the third dragon is. As she says something about Danny bringing all her troops as a show of power.

 

[robfosters]

I'm interested to see if Dany will accept Jon as the true heir.

 

[MooMoo444]

I like the fact the dead now have a dragon. It didn't dawn on my for a little while after they killed the dragon that they would be able to resurrect it!

I think it hasn't dawned on the characters either. Dany has repeatedly mentioned losing a dragon but I don't think any of the characters realize that it was resurrected, or that it could be. Obviously those at the wall know, but seems nobody else has made that connection.

 

[nicktay2605]

I enjoyed the finale, though it was very predictable. The show has taken less risks since overtaking the books, it feels less shocking than it did in previous series.

 

[dannyjo22]

I'm interested to see if Dany will accept Jon as the true heir.

He will have given her a baby and an heir and die at the end. I don't see them ending together regardless of the incest stuff being ok with targayen. I don't think Snow will be able to see past that and why would he when all your life it's seen as something dirty.

Also the times they said they had to tell Jon the truth, I kept thinking they aren't going to get chance.

 

[DrToffnar]

I honestly don't see them conceiving a child. I think it would seem a little too 'fairytale' as much as anything.

Plus...

"Every time a new Targaryen is born, the God's flip a coin".

It would be so out of touch with what the characters have learnt. This monarchical society would be both archaic and disjointed in the new world they hope to create.

 

[MooMoo444]

Is it ever flat out stated that Dany can't have children? It all seems to be an assumption by her from what I recall.

 

[Richdog]

I enjoyed the finale, though it was very predictable. The show has taken less risks since overtaking the books, it feels less shocking than it did in previous series.

It's because George R.R. Martin is a world-class author who devised the entire world on paper, which the TV writers then translated and adapted to the big screen. A TV script writer can never hope to take Martins place in developing the source material in such short a time, and that is why quality is dropping and the overall depth is decreasing dramatically.

Is it ever flat out stated that Dany can't have children? It all seems to be an assumption by her from what I recall.

Do you watch the same show as the rest of us? They (Dany and Jon) even had a convo about this in the last episode.

 

[MooMoo444]

It's because George R.R. Martin is a world-class author who devised the entire world on paper, which the TV writers then translated and adapted to the big screen. A TV script writer can never hope to take Martins place in developing the source material in such short a time, and that is why quality is dropping and the overall depth is decreasing dramatically.


Do you watch the same show as the rest of us? They (Dany and Jon) even had a convo about this in the last episode.

Yes, she thinks she can't have children, as I said, this seems to be assumption. She hasn't exactly tried to have children has she? What makes her think she cannot?

 

[Uncle Petey]

There's nothing concrete about it tbh.

EDIT: Possible book spoilers, even though we're way past where the books left off.

Spoiler

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/watching/daenerys-targaryen-dragons.html?mcubz=0

Some of you might have been scratching your heads after Tyrion said to Dany, “You say you can’t have children.” When did she say this? Did we miss something?We know the Mother of Dragons considers her gorgeous beasts her children, which is a big part of what makes losing Viserion so tragic. And we know that her first son was stillborn. But since when does that mean she can’t have biologically human children? To understand why Dany believes this, and whether it could be true, we need to revisit her time in Season 1 with the healer-witch Mirri Maz Duur, the woman whom she entrusted with giving Khal Drogo back his life, and supplement that with information from the books that has been left out of the show.

First, when Dany meets Mirri, she tells Dany that she has midwife skills. “I know every secret of the bloody bed, Silver Lady,” Mirri says in the books, “nor have I ever lost a babe.” That makes Dany’s son, Rhaego, who is stillborn, the first and last one she loses. Curiously, while Dany is in labor, Mirri gives her something to drink: “She tasted sour milk, and something else, something thick and bitter.” (A poison? A natural abortifacient?)

Later, Mirri claims that the baby was not only stillborn, but a monster. As she says in Season 1: “He was scaled like a lizard, blind, with leather wings like the wings of a bat. When I touched him, the skin fell from his bones. Inside he was full of graveworms.” But given that she later admits that she wanted the baby to die, just as she wanted Khal Drogo to remain in a vegetative state, it’s hard to treat her account as anything but hearsay. For all we know, Rhaego could have been born alive and perfectly healthy, only to be smothered by Mirri. There is no evidence, no bones presented.

When Dany confronts Mirri in the show about Drogo’s condition and asks when her Khal will be as he was before, the healer-witch responds with a poetic version of “never”: “When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves.” In the books, she adds one more line, the most crucial line in this fertility crisis: “When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child.”

Dany interprets that as a prophecy or a curse, and she obsesses over it in the books. “The maegi Mirri Maz Duur had sworn she should never bear a living child,” Daenerys thinks in “A Clash of Kings,” “and what man would want a barren wife?” Later, in “A Storm of Swords,” she again recalls: “Mirri Maz Duur had promised that she would never bear a living child. House Targaryen will end with me.” And in “A Dance of Dragons,” those same fears are once more on her mind: “The words of Mirri Maz Duur rang in her head,” Martin writes. “The meaning was plain enough; Khal Drogo was as likely to return from the dead as she was to bear a living child.” Still, who said Mirri had the power of prophecy? Why should we believe this woman, given that she previously and purposely misled Dany? What if she was just trying to upset the Khaleesi as much as possible, in order to make her think that the loss of Rhaego was even more significant than it already was — the loss of all prospects of motherhood? It’s hard to know.

One thing we do know (or at least suspect) is that, despite all of this, Dany does appear to get pregnant once more. In the books, she seems to suffer a miscarriage after eating some green berries, which taste bitter and familiar: Perhaps Mirri used them in Dany’s secret drink. So what we can conclude? Clearly, she is able to conceive, but it’s too soon to know whether she can carry another baby to term.

 

[~>Dg<~]

so i see book talk is okay now ? just remember there is stuff we havent seen yet and any book talk which seems to be rife could spoil future tv content.

great episode really enjoyed it.

 

[Bubo]

Maybe Danys is fireproof because of two Targaryen parents and as Jon has a Stark for one stops that him being fireproof.

I think Jon is probably just flame retardant, like an Argos christmas tree.

I thought the build up to the LF comeuppance was very well done, because in the couple of episodes previously I had pretty much deduced that Arya had already killed LF, and any scene you saw between Sansa and LF from the note finding scene onwards was Arya wearing LF's face and her testing Sansa's loyalty to Jon, etc. From that point I don't think you ever saw Arya and LF in the same room. Even in the final scene where Arya was being brought into the hall you initially couldn't see LF in the same wide shot as she walked to the front, such that if you has subscribed to the Arya/LF face theory you would be saying "Aha! Still no Arya and LF in the same shot! She'll pull his face out of her bag in a minute". Then they do an abrupt cut to LF leaning on the wall. The abruptness of the cut the LF standing to the side was entirely deliberate to make you think Sansa really about to condemn Arya, very good viewer manipulation by the writers. For me that moment made the whole Winterfell plot worthwhile.

 

[Washout]

Noyou didnt its just one example of weird slopiness that may have ended up on the cutting room floor, OR, just Sloppy. My Money is on sloppy because its all pretty sloppy this season.

Seeing we last left them at Castley Rock, one would assume it was there but they were on the inside. All in all its probably Kings Landing but its just sloppy. The Climate felt more akin to there.

The army at the start wasn't sloppy? They rocked up to KL to ensure no shenanigans at the meeting. They would have departed and made their way north after.

The unsullied were left alone at Casterly Rock, there was no mention of them getting besieged either. Jaime assumed they'd stay to hold it and he could win it back later. Clearly they've spent the last 3-4 episodes making their way back.