The OcUK Relationship Counselling and Hugs Thread

@Adnams Drinker - Keeping contact with her to a bare minimum would be a good idea, why torture yourself? Obviously you'll need to be in touch about the house.

Did you have kids? Might be lucky if not when it comes to child support, etc. You haven't mentioned about getting a solicitor but you should get that sorted asap. Do you think she would negotiate a settlement out of court? Could save you some money but still get a solicitor.
 
Didn't have any contact with my ex after the split and is harder at start but it's better in the long run

Also made the same decision as you with the dog.
Really wanted to see her but knew it syphilis delay me moving on and ex could a new song her at any time too (ie new guy on the scene doesn't like it)

Also mega grateful no kids are involved with mine

You're doing well. You seem to have a rational (as much as can be expected) mindset towards it. Once your emotions dull down you'll start to actually believe you have more opportunities around the corner and that maybe she wasn't right for your after all
 
@Adnams Drinker - Keeping contact with her to a bare minimum would be a good idea, why torture yourself? Obviously you'll need to be in touch about the house.

Did you have kids? Might be lucky if not when it comes to child support, etc. You haven't mentioned about getting a solicitor but you should get that sorted asap. Do you think she would negotiate a settlement out of court? Could save you some money but still get a solicitor.
Totally - up until now I've tried to be Mr Reasonable and maintain communication on a sociable level, but after this morning's conversation it's 'radio silence' or strictly business only from now on. If she wants to speak to me, she knows where I am.

We don't have any kids, something I had regretted we didn't do when we were younger as I thought she would have made a fantastic mother, but unfortunately unless it has four legs, a mane and a saddle she isn't interested. Not that she actually rides any of her five bloody horses, having a similar hang up about that as she does driving a journey any further than ten miles. Although a bit of a lucky escape on my part on the kids front as things have turned out.

I think we can handle matters out of court - when we spoke about it, there's no desire on either side to screw over the other. Neither has committed adultery and nor has there been any physical or mental cruelty. That said, I'm not complacent and it's something I'll investigate.
 
Once your emotions dull down you'll start to actually believe you have more opportunities around the corner and that maybe she wasn't right for your after all
Exactly what my brother said on Monday - that I have a clean slate to take my life in a direction of my choosing. I fully understand what he means, although stepping into the unknown after all this time is a bit daunting.

I think I have grounds to feel more optimistic about my future than she does - I have a good job (ironically one that I started the same year we got married) that pays well for this area. In addition, me and an old workmate are working on a business project of our own. She meanwhile is content to keep working for the local county council (a toxic environment that has been a factor in our breakup, but the hours allow more horse time :rolleyes:) for crap money, when she could earn more in the private sector.
 
Do you think she will cope on her own? Horses are damn expensive!
She made this decision, so she stands or falls by it as far as I'm concerned. She's already confessed that she might well look back on this later and realise she's made the biggest mistake of her life, which is why I gave her a final opportunity to change her mind this morning.

By the time that realisation dawns I'll be long gone and hopefully in another relationship - although no way in hell am I getting married again.

I hope I'm not giving the impression that she's a gold-digger, which would be unfair as she really isn't, but she's going to find that facing life as part of a partnership versus doing it on your own are two completely different things.
 
I think we can handle matters out of court - when we spoke about it, there's no desire on either side to screw over the other. Neither has committed adultery and nor has there been any physical or mental cruelty. That said, I'm not complacent and it's something I'll investigate.

The problem is that women can quickly go from "I don't love you any more" to "I never loved you" to "you wasted the best years of my life and you owe me everything to make up for it". You need to cover yourself for when she finds she can't hang on to "her" house. You also need to get any financial settlement sorted legally, as otherwise (as recent court cases have shown) she can come back at any point in the future and claim your income. This is more likely to happen when she realises that she can't cope without you pulling in more money for her to spend.

I'm not sure what I can add to the already good advice you've been given. I do think maybe she is having some kind of mid-life crisis, and despite charming your wife's family, the friend will have been egging her on in that direction. The friend obviously wants your wife for a partner in crime so that they can be divorcees together, living the single life. Your wife may not have been cheating, but she obviously wants to get out there with her friend and start looking for someone new. I think you made a mistake in ignoring the issues you've been experiencing as a couple over the last 18 months, but now your wife has decided she wants out, there's not much you can do about it. She's checked out of the relationship. As you've said, the person you knew isn't there any more.

I do think you will be okay. You seem to be more self-aware than most men. You understand your emotional state and what you need to do to shore yourself up (reconnecting with family and friends, severing from your wife and her family), and you are moving quickly to anger as a motivation to move on. You also seem to be task orientated, planning the details of the break up and executing without letting your emotions drag you back. The decision to let her take the dogs was a brave one that shows your determination to cut yourself free of the past. I would imagine (from your walls of text) that you tend to over-think and over-analyse things a bit, so keep busy so as not to start your thoughts circling around the breakup, what you could have done differently, etc. That's all in the past now, and you need to be thinking of the future.

Don't stress too much about those times you get upset and emotional. It's just part of the healing process and that you understand your feelings better than most. You have to go through the upset, stress and healing of the loss of your marriage and the person you loved, but there is light on the other side. You can see that from all the similar stories in this thread. If others can do it, then so can you. You can carry on with a new phase of your life, do different things and meet new people. First you need to deal with the details of the break-up, paperwork, lawyer, splitting of assets, then you have to move on and cut out all contact from your ex. Make a list, work through it, don't get pulled back into the past and what might have been.

It's a shame that things have happened this way, but this is what you have to deal with, ie, life as it is, not how you'd like it to be. To misqote a meme, you're losing someone who doesn't love you, she's losing someone who loves her. She's the one losing out here. Now you have to work towards your goals and get back to being in a place where you are happy with your life. You've already seen how people are there for you if you need them (including all us anonymous internet nerds in this thread). Don't be afraid to take their help, you might be returning the favour one day. They will want to help you get through this difficult time, because these friends, colleagues and family all love you in one form or another. For the sake of a bit of time and empathy, all of us want to see you get through this and be okay at the end of it.

One day you will look back and although the ending was bad, you had all those good years, and maybe you'll move onto something and someone better. This may be an ending, but it's also a new beginning for you and you have to look forwards into that new life, and forget about the past you can't change.
 
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The problem is that women can quickly go from "I don't love you any more" to "I never loved you" to "you wasted the best years of my life and you owe me everything to make up for it". You need to cover yourself for when she finds she can't hang on to "her" house. You also need to get any financial settlement sorted legally, as otherwise (as recent court cases have shown) she can come back at any point in the future and claim your income. This is more likely to happen when she realises that she can't cope without you pulling in more money for her to spend.

This should be holy writ and couldn't be more bang on the money, no pun intended. I can remember the ex telling me she didn't love me anymore at first, then it was she hadn't loved me for a very long time followed by I never really loved you, how could anyone love a thing like you... Money was always a factor to her and she has done her absolute best to squeeze every last bit she can out of me, at one point letting me see my kids for an afternoon only if i signed a cheque over to her for about £250. Fortunately we weren't married otherwise things would have been a lot worse.

Just remember that a love of money is the root of all evil, when your wife realises, and she will sooner or later, that she can't afford the life to which she has become accustomed to you will find things turning very nasty indeed. We can't stress this enough; get a solicitor asap. Settle out of court if possible but make sure it is legally binding to cover yourself from any future crap.

The friend is almost certainly responsible for a lot of this, I see quite a lot of divorce parties at the venue I'm currently working at... Groups of middle aged women celebrating one of their sisters returning to the land of singledom and all acting like the world owes them something. Unless you're escaping from something incredibly hostile and bitter divorce shouldn't be celebrated. Even then its kind of sad, I don't get this mentality at all. But these little groups do tend to crop up, maybe its a case that misery loves company for the most part.

Something tells me though Adnams you're going to be absolutely fine given the time to heal. You'll find that eventually it's not your wife you'll be missing it will be the grieving for the loss of what was normal for you, any plans you may have had for the future. One day though you will wake up and just be okay... that I promise you.
 
Yeah definitely lawyer up and get a full and final settlement, a "clean break" so she can't come back for more further down the line!

Good luck, buddy!
 
Just remember that a love of money is the root of all evil, when your wife realises, and she will sooner or later, that she can't afford the life to which she has become accustomed to you will find things turning very nasty indeed. We can't stress this enough; get a solicitor asap. Settle out of court if possible but make sure it is legally binding to cover yourself from any future crap.

Yeah definitely lawyer up and get a full and final settlement, a "clean break" so she can't come back for more further down the line!

This. Make sure any agreement is worded so that she can't come back for more in the future in the event that your business takes off, you win the lottery, etc.

They say horse ladies should be high on the avoid list, just below nurses.
 
This should be holy writ and couldn't be more bang on the money, no pun intended. I can remember the ex telling me she didn't love me anymore at first, then it was she hadn't loved me for a very long time followed by I never really loved you, how could anyone love a thing like you... Money was always a factor to her and she has done her absolute best to squeeze every last bit she can out of me, at one point letting me see my kids for an afternoon only if i signed a cheque over to her for about £250. Fortunately we weren't married otherwise things would have been a lot worse.

Just remember that a love of money is the root of all evil, when your wife realises, and she will sooner or later, that she can't afford the life to which she has become accustomed to you will find things turning very nasty indeed. We can't stress this enough; get a solicitor asap. Settle out of court if possible but make sure it is legally binding to cover yourself from any future crap.
Sound advice fellas, and I will act on it. There's a solicitors opposite where I work so I'll go and see them one day next week as a first step. How does it work with solicitors in these sort of cases? Do you have to pay them to do things as they do them or do they just give you a bill at the end and you pay it out of the settlement? As I recall, that was the way it worked when we bought our first flat and later the current marital home. I was a lot younger when my parents divorced and obviously have never experienced anything like this in my own right before, with this being my first - and if I have any say in the matter - last marriage. Sadly this experience will taint me with suspicion and cynicism for the rest of my days.

I still think we'll be able to work this out amicably - when we had 'the phone call' on Sunday, she said "I know I've hurt you massively and that's the last thing I want to do - let's make this right for both of us". She also knows about my shared business venture, which she isn't part of and which is worth less than nothing at this precise moment in time in any case - "I'm doing this now before the business takes off as I don't want you to think I'm after your money". However, the naive, trusting me has gone, so it won't hurt to have a Plan B and as you've all said, the arrangement, however we arrive at it, will need to be legally signed-off in any case.

I may have made her sound like a bit of an ogre so far, but that's just anger and venting on my part - she really isn't a gold-digger and she's level-headed enough to have realised that her circumstances will change as a result of this. She knows that having to lose two, possibly three of her precious horses will be just the start. Such was her unhappiness in the last 18 months of our marriage, she's prepared to put up with that - the thought that she was that unhappy upsets me greatly and it will now haunt me for the rest of my days that we didn't get counselling at the time.

The friend is almost certainly responsible for a lot of this, I see quite a lot of divorce parties at the venue I'm currently working at... Groups of middle aged women celebrating one of their sisters returning to the land of singledom and all acting like the world owes them something. Unless you're escaping from something incredibly hostile and bitter divorce shouldn't be celebrated. Even then its kind of sad, I don't get this mentality at all. But these little groups do tend to crop up, maybe its a case that misery loves company for the most part.

Indeed. I wish her happiness, I really do - I just don't want to be around to see it. I find the idea of her and said friend going out on the pull quite laughable - my wife is blonde, blue-eyed and quite curvy (to me at least, a devastating combination and I don't doubt she'll never be short of male company), but said friend, to put it kindly, isn't. Our marriage was many things, but it was never hostile or bitter - we just took our eyes off the ball, got complacent and forgot about making each other happy, particularly the last 18 months.

Something tells me though Adnams you're going to be absolutely fine given the time to heal. You'll find that eventually it's not your wife you'll be missing it will be the grieving for the loss of what was normal for you, any plans you may have had for the future. One day though you will wake up and just be okay... that I promise you.
Thank you - I am still very much at the missing her stage, but I think that's beginning to change. It's being replaced by anger at myself for letting something so good go so wrong in the first place (although we're both to blame for that really) and the number of good things, people and places in my life that I'll lose as a result. Okay, anger is a negative emotion, but it's one I can deal with.

Having to run the household single-handed makes me realise how much is involved and how much easier it is when split between two people - I've literally never lived on my own before, having rented with mates when I first moved out of the family home in the early 90s and then bought a flat with my then girlfriend in 1994 ... the girlfriend who later became my wife.

It's also given me an insight into the agonies my parents went through when they split - it's a horrible situation to be in and one that I won't let happen again, hence my aversion to marrying for a second time.
 
They say horse ladies should be high on the avoid list, just below nurses.
In fairness, she has always loved horses since she was a child, but never saw any reasonable prospect of owning her own at any point in her life, including when we got together. It's only in the last 7-8 years when her earnings had advanced sufficiently and she found a cheap local stables to keep them at that it became viable. Since joining the local horsey set, she has met some truly awful, false people - I avoided most of them like the plague - and sadly she's now become one of them.

C'est la vie ...
 
The problem is that women can quickly go from "I don't love you any more" to "I never loved you" to "you wasted the best years of my life and you owe me everything to make up for it". You need to cover yourself for when she finds she can't hang on to "her" house. You also need to get any financial settlement sorted legally, as otherwise (as recent court cases have shown) she can come back at any point in the future and claim your income. This is more likely to happen when she realises that she can't cope without you pulling in more money for her to spend.

Sadly this is very true. A friend recently split with his very long term girlfriend (they do have kids and she instigated the split) and despite him thinking they would both be civil and fair she demanded half of the investment flat he owned before they met. The solicitor laughed at it although they are still discussing their current house, his pension, child maintenance, etc (she doesn't work so not sure if he will have to pay her some kind of support maintenance too).

you wasted the best years of my life

I also had those exact words thrown at me by a girlfriend when I split with her. She was older than me and had spent about 10 years with a former boyfriend. Then we met and I felt things weren't right after a couple of years. Despite only being together for a relatively short period she blamed me for the fact she was now having to look for a partner again when she was older.

although no way in hell am I getting married again.

Sorry to hear you're going through so much :( I'm still married but often tell people that if I were to get divorced there is no way I would get married again. I also try to warn people thinking of getting married what the failure rate is and what the consequences are. Most people just tell me I'm bitter (I'm not bitter - we're still married after 17 years - I can just see the negatives for most men). I don't preach to them as it's their decision. But simply try to get them to think about the negatives as well as the positives so they can make a decision based on facts rather than emotion. Funny enough women really hate me being open and honest about how it can devastate a man financially and emotionally, and they try to shout me down.
 
The thing with marriages is they aren't what they used to be, it's just a 'thing' to do now, rather than actually going 'hey, I want to spend the rest of my days with my partner, no matter what we go through we'll make it work'.
 
they are still discussing their current house, his pension, child maintenance, etc (she doesn't work so not sure if he will have to pay her some kind of support maintenance too).


I'm on the fence with this kind of situation (depending on the circumstances of course). My parents divorced when I was 15 and away at school. Over the years my dad had been banging his secretary, then finished and convinced my mum (and I) to move to the middle east for a new start. About the time I returned to the UK to study gcse's was when he divorced my mum on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour... sometimes she could be hormonal.

I remember a lot of arguments when I was a kid, and generally speaking take my mums side when it comes to their divorce; his infidelity (regardless of other reasons) and aggressive behaviour were unacceptable. I think I was somewhere around 4 or 5 years old when he was knocking off the woman at his work. He'd not come home from the office in london overnight, or we'd have his Co. for the TA hon artillery ringing asking where he was; he'd left with his kit on the friday to go on exercise over the weekend, but instead was cheating with the secretary. Stuff like that.

Long and short of it is he was a crap dad and my mum looked after me and the house etc after she gave up her job as a senior nursing sister/matron when I was born.

Being away at school, I didn't really have all that much of the divorce impact on me directly. Family house was sold, she got a settlement to buy another house outright, plus support maintenance which lasted until I was probably into my late 20's early 30's. The divorce agreement made no provision for her maintenance ending. However he eventually stopped paying, much to my mums annoyance.

But, and this is a very big but from me - not once in the 25 years since the divorce has my mum made any attempt to get any kind of job; a return to nursing, or opening a kennels (one idea she had years before). Now she's 75 this year and following a relatively minor stroke a couple of years ago she spends just about all of her time moaning and complaining about how she wasted her life (seems like largely for my sake when I was a child) and that she's now skint. You get the idea.

I think it's fair in some circumstances for a partner to get some form of maintenance following a divorce. But how long should it last, and should the expectation of it negate taking responsibility for ensuring your own financial security for retirement?
She's had a quarter of a century to get something sorted for herself and didn't. About the time she was turning 70, she started talking about getting a solicitor to try and get my dad to start paying again...

Kind of hard for me to say to her, but I think that's totally unacceptable.


Needless to say, I have a fairly dim view of the whole concept of 'family' and what it means. From what I have seen it pretty much means FA.
 
From what I have seen it pretty much means FA.

And that sums it up for you.

What you have seen.

There are plenty of happy and unhappy families out there. But you cant let bad experiences put you off certain things for life.

My family, as a direct comparison to yours, are very close. And as a result my ultimate goal in life is to give my two young children the same loving upbringing i had as a nipper.

My partners family are also VERY close. But this is as a result of her mum and dad splitting up when her and her siblings were all kids. Having gone through being ditched by their dad as a result of cheating, he was the sole income winner and it changed the family dynamic overnight. The mother worked her BALLS off in 2 jobs to make ends meet and kept a roof over their heads.

IMO Its not the situation, its the people involved and how they handle it that make the outcome.
 
Totally - up until now I've tried to be Mr Reasonable and maintain communication on a sociable level, but after this morning's conversation it's 'radio silence' or strictly business only from now on. If she wants to speak to me, she knows where I am.

We don't have any kids, something I had regretted we didn't do when we were younger as I thought she would have made a fantastic mother, but unfortunately unless it has four legs, a mane and a saddle she isn't interested. Not that she actually rides any of her five bloody horses, having a similar hang up about that as she does driving a journey any further than ten miles. Although a bit of a lucky escape on my part on the kids front as things have turned out.

I think we can handle matters out of court - when we spoke about it, there's no desire on either side to screw over the other. Neither has committed adultery and nor has there been any physical or mental cruelty. That said, I'm not complacent and it's something I'll investigate.
You could be me. Best of luck with it all :)
 
Sound advice from all. I've been in the same position as you, everything amicable, I only want me share/what's mine and then 3 months later it's all change. Not worth the risk IMHO.

I think you're dealing with it all as well as could be expected given the circumstances.
 
And that sums it up for you.

What you have seen.

There are plenty of happy and unhappy families out there. But you cant let bad experiences put you off certain things for life.

My family, as a direct comparison to yours, are very close. And as a result my ultimate goal in life is to give my two young children the same loving upbringing i had as a nipper.

My partners family are also VERY close. But this is as a result of her mum and dad splitting up when her and her siblings were all kids. Having gone through being ditched by their dad as a result of cheating, he was the sole income winner and it changed the family dynamic overnight. The mother worked her BALLS off in 2 jobs to make ends meet and kept a roof over their heads.

IMO Its not the situation, its the people involved and how they handle it that make the outcome.

Yeah, I'm still pretty optimistic about people when I meet them as far as relationships go... despite my immediate family being what they are.
Family on both sides of my parents marriage are, shall we say, less than inclusive. His family thought he married beneath them, her family, whilst mostly decent have a **** ton of sibling rivalry that has soured their relationships; not even a terminal illness with one of them brought any reconciliation.

People are what they are I guess. I realised quite early on that your parents (or other family) are just people too, capable of being as good or as bad as any stranger you're likely to meet. Doesn't serve you well to place them on any kind of pedestal indefinitely.

I don't think it's a particularly bleak view of people, just a realistic one. I think with family like mine, you have to just accept them for what they are and move on. You'll be a happier person for it.
As for everyone else, I generally take people at face value and see where they go from there. Sooner or later they show their calibre. I still have a couple of good friends who I don't see as often as we all used to, but we always seem to pick up exactly where we left off, despite old/new/broken relationships and kids to be responsible for. I tend to value that over most of my family. It's just the way it is.


I will say this though - in my 20's I thought I'd have a family of my own by this time in my life. I don't. I spent much of my late 20's up to my mid 30's investing my time end energy in a long term relationship and a couple of potential relationships after that crashed and burned. For better or worse I'm not tuned into searching for that 'special someone'. They don't exist. There's just people. Some you'll like and some you won't.
In many ways I'm tired of listening to what other people think I should be doing, just because it's what they're doing. Hehe a few weeks back, I went camping on my own, just to get out of the city for a bit of fresh air. One of the younger girls at the office wall all, 'oh, poor jumpy, going all by himself.... I could never do anything like that' :) Yeah well, you're only 22, love, what do you know about anything? Bless her.
 
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