I see the point you're trying to make. But my question is, why is it "per clock" instead of "per second"; since according to Wikipedia Clock rate = clock cycles per second?
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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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my bad didn't notice that
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Clockspeed is the amount of "pulses". So it's x amount of pulses per second.
The same doesn't really apply to IPC
If they are all slower then the results wouldn't be even performance at 4Ghz vs 4.7Ghz would it? think about it.
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What I don't get is the top of the range MSI Goldlike. Are they mad? Who's going to spend north of £400 for a dead end board with no upgrade path, regardless how good its.
Thats money someone could spend on X299/X399 platform, knowing that would last 2 generations at LEAST! (3 in the case of the X399).
But the sad thing is the X299 Carbon or Tomahawk, are far cheaper and if someone sells the gift AIO for less than half the money!!!!!
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Transistor switching per second, Mhz....
IPC is how many Instructions the CPU can execute for every Mhz. if CPU A can execute 2 Instructions for every clock cycle vs only 1 on CPU B then CPU A is faster as its doing more per clock cycle.
Mhz are how many clock cycles (Transistor switching) the CPU is running at per second.
Edit: so CPU B would have to run twice as fast (3Ghz vs 6Ghz) as CPU A to keep up as A is executing twice as many instructions for every cycle.
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Is there even going to be any point in Coffeelake-x? That's probably the last chip that X299 is going to get.. i think
There's no point in Kaby Lake-X existing and yet it does, so I'm sure it'll appear at some point.
CoffeeLake-X next year.
Is it a point for it? No, but Intel is being in the usual business trying to milk the customers with pointless products.
And elaborating.
Assuming 8700K is using Ring topology and not Mesh (it matters).
We have atm 3 CPUs (i7 7640X, 7740X, 7800X) on the X299 platform competing with 3 (i3-8350K, i5-8600K, 8700K) on the Z370 platform respectively.
(yes 8600K could be better than the 7740X but for the sake of no 4c/8t in Z370).
And we can add the not so great performance of the 7820X in the mix, because it is borders the pointless CPU category also against the 8700K in gaming performance.
If the 8700K is using Mesh and not Ring topology, makes the whole lineup of the Z370 CPUs pointless against Intels X299 products, and especially terrible value for money against the AMD Ryzen products.
And anyone having X99 6-8 core CPU like myself, shouldn't even consider them.
Which personally I do atm (8700K), until AMD releases the next CPU lineup at 4.5Ghz+. Because I do not want to have 2 systems setup.
Need a machine with good high speed single thread perf for MMOs, CK2, WOT pushing the 1080ti, and adequate multithread for rendering.
And if the 8700K has Mesh topology, I am getting a 7740X and a 1920X, which is going to cost me bit more, but well. I can do it
Its been said over and over, the 8700k does not use mesh. Its using the same ringbus that kabylake uses.
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That's not what the term subjective means, what you are describing is a variance of objective data which can be objectively analysed.
What some people do is to look at a small subset of data and extrapolate wildly from that due to naivety, ignorance or pure bias.
That is not being subjective but plain incorrect.
Subjective in this case would be to play a game on 2 or more systems with different hardware configurations and to give impressions on how they appeared without any objective data.
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The Z270-A starts at £95!!
So now the cheapest Z370 motherboards have a price increase??
It's (barely) cheaper than x370 because it's half featured in comparison. B350 would be your go-to here (eg 6 power phases on the Z370-A PRO, and even then most B350 have 8 or so)... So now you're looking at £118 Z370 vs maybe £60 for more phases on B350.
The combination of IPC, cores and clockspeed is what determines the overall speed of a cpu, coupled with how effectively an application can use that cpu or how well optimised that software is.
Whilst intel has a significant clockspeed advantage and AMD a significant core (per£) advantage it's down to the application to favour an individual cpu. Given most people run dual core laptops for non gaming scenarios (sadly) that's where the optimisation will remain.
Whilst a tiny fraction of games are starting to benefit from more cores this doesn't mean it's worthwhile yet to change to the current crop of multiple core cpus which don't offer an advantage over quad core in current gaming scenarios and won't cut the mustard in a few years time when software starts to take advantage of multicores.
Whilst intel has a significant clockspeed advantage and AMD a significant core (per£) advantage it's down to the application to favour an individual cpu. Given most people run dual core laptops for non gaming scenarios (sadly) that's where the optimisation will remain.
Whilst a tiny fraction of games are starting to benefit from more cores this doesn't mean it's worthwhile yet to change to the current crop of multiple core cpus which don't offer an advantage over quad core in current gaming scenarios and won't cut the mustard in a few years time when software starts to take advantage of multicores.
In other words, what most website's do when reviewing ? So, your point is ?
Objective - Observation of measurable facts
Subjective - Personal opinions, assumptions, interpretations and beliefs
Data gathered in a review, as long as it is made public, as to how the test were carried out, with no bias would be Objective, as they are measurable facts, not someones opinion. However the conclusion, and thoughts based from the data are subjective, as data interpretation has taken place.
I am aiming this at no one, just some people don't have a dictionary
Subjective - Personal opinions, assumptions, interpretations and beliefs
Data gathered in a review, as long as it is made public, as to how the test were carried out, with no bias would be Objective, as they are measurable facts, not someones opinion. However the conclusion, and thoughts based from the data are subjective, as data interpretation has taken place.
I am aiming this at no one, just some people don't have a dictionary
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I'm not sure what amateur review sites you read, teenagers on Youtube!, but any serious professional website will present enough objective data for you to make up your own mind.