Pewdiepie racism
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The point is this, gamers use offensive words against each other all the time, and I believe that 99.9% of the time they are not meant in the literal sense.
During my EQ days the term ' word beginning with 's' that infers sexual promiscuity' was the turn of phrase on my guild's teamspeak server. I am led to believe that if I was to play CoD on my Xbox that gamers would regularly make point of the fact that they have had sexual intercourse with my mother. Basically anything deemed as being offensive is a free for all.
As I mentioned was he an idiot to use the N word? Yes because of the **** storm that always ensues once it is used. It is almost seen as being indefensible.
So did PewDiePie drop the N bomb because he was making a racially derogatory statement about the other player? Of course not.
He just dropped an offensive word to vent frustration that unfortunately ties people's underpants in a knot.
During my EQ days the term ' word beginning with 's' that infers sexual promiscuity' was the turn of phrase on my guild's teamspeak server. I am led to believe that if I was to play CoD on my Xbox that gamers would regularly make point of the fact that they have had sexual intercourse with my mother. Basically anything deemed as being offensive is a free for all.
As I mentioned was he an idiot to use the N word? Yes because of the **** storm that always ensues once it is used. It is almost seen as being indefensible.
So did PewDiePie drop the N bomb because he was making a racially derogatory statement about the other player? Of course not.
He just dropped an offensive word to vent frustration that unfortunately ties people's underpants in a knot.
You’re taking my posts out of context. It doesn’t matter who he said it to whilst playing his game. He didn’t know who they were so he flat out shouldn’t have said it.
And like wise I do think if someone was intentionally trying to be racist why would they use that would at people who it doesn’t describe?
Do you think he was OK to use it in the context he did?
Personally I don’t think he should use it in any context but that’s the world we live in.
I’m just going to presume saying racists words in anger is now Ok as that’s the stance most of you seem to be taking. Which goes against the entire way I was brought up. Takes all sorts to make the world go round
I don't think I am taking it out of context. You made an extremely emphatic statement that it mattered. So emphatic that you were strongly implying that it was impossible that it didn't matter. Now you're saying that it doesn't matter. What context resolves that contradiction?
That's a big part of the point. Some people do use the Magic Word in question at people not covered by the original meaning of the word because the meaning of words can change. That's the main part of the counter-argument to your position that it is always extremely racist.
Do you think that saying "Damn!" is trying to invoke divine power to curse someone or something? That was its original meaning.
In an ethical sense, just about. In a business/social media/political sense, no.
Do you think the Magic Word in question should never be used be anyone in any context? Or are you just singling out this individual for some reason? If so, what reason?
You know that isn't true. Several people have clearly, repeatedly, even labouriously, explained it to you. With examples. You've even asked the key question yourself, in this very post. It's right there, just a few lines up.
I'm going to repeat myself in an attempt to belabour the point some more:
You use violent, sexual, scatalogical and/or blasphemous language (you said you swear at people in games)...and don't mean it that way.
So you do understand that a word that became offensive for a specific reason can be used as a generic offensive word with no meaning other than being offensive. You must understand that point because you do it yourself.
It doesn't help when you use your unfounded assumptions to decide what "sort" other people are regardless of how clearly they explain their position.
What you're doing is like someone assuming that everyone who says "<forbidden magic word> you!" in a game is a rapist/wannabee rapist/rape apologist/whatever. Even after multiple people have explained that's not what it means and why.
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Can you highlight where 'most' people have said that?
I've said he shouldn't say it and it doesn't matter who he has said it to. He's playing a video game anonymously, essentially, he doesn't know who he is speaking to. Would it not be a courteous thing to not use racist langauge? Cause you never know who is on the end of what you're saying.
But just because some people do - that doesn't excuse it or take away the meaning. The word hasn't changed over night and when people do use it I bet a majority of the time they use it in racist context.
In what ethical sense would it be OK?
No. It's the context! As I said I have friends who I have known for years who if they said it, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. They're my mates and I know they don't mean it in a horrible way. However, my same friend who I've known since year 4 was around mine watching the Mayweather vs Mcgreggor fight and he literally shouted at the tv "get your act together McGreggot you're going to get beaten by an ****** N*****" and I had to pull him up on that right away.
It's all in the context - for me. PdP was playing a game, got angry/agitated or whatever and then resorted to a historically racist term. Because he was angry. It's not like he was saying it in an endearing way or singing along to some Biggie Smalls. He got angry and resorted to what he said. Tell me, when you play games and get angry do you resort to shouting out racial slurs? Is that something someone who never says those words does? I've never played a game and shouted a racist slur... because I was brought up not to use them full stop.
Like the guy yesterday who was saying he sees it as fine using racial slurs as he wants to cause maximum offence?
No. When I play games and if someone has angered me or if I end up screaming in a rage - usually at my monitor, not down a mic - often it's words that are offensive yet aren't racist. I'm fine with being offensive, I'm not fine with using racist terms. So yes, if I shout someone is an '******' richard-head' I mean that at the moment.
No it is not. I haven't accused him of being a racist. I said he was probably stupid or used causal racism out of ignorance rather than being an actual racist. But I don't know how people can have racist terms just slip out so naturally. Maybe the word is changing. Maybe it isn't. But the word clearly still offends a lot of people so he was stupid for using it. There's just some things you do not do and he made a mistake. He's since come out and held his hands up and apologised so in my eyes that's the end of it. People are making it out to be much worse than it actually is. He's took his licks, now it's time to let it go. If he was sincere in his apology it wont happen again and if he wasn't, well then it might.
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Eh? You really think that the person is a penile glans? Really? How would a penile glans play a game? For starters, it doesn't have any way to manipulate any form of input device for a game. Do you think a person can turn into a penile glans and back again, like a werewolf changing between human form and wolf form?
Or is it that you're using a word that became offensive for one meaning without using that meaning?
Lol funny imagery aside I see what you're doing but I still disagree.
Have people ever used that word in the literal and hurtful sense?
Have people ever used the other word in a literal and hurtful sense?
If I called you a pleb, I'm not insulting you for your race, I'm insulting you as a person. Whereas if I called you a racist slur I'm insulting your race - not you as a person. Maybe to other people they don't see it that way, but that's how I see it.
We clearly aren't going to agree on this so rather than have an argument where we just bicker back and forth, as is the way of GD, shall we just leave it there?
I'd fully star the F-bomb if you don't want a suspension
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Used to be quite common. It implies low social standing and the attendant stereotypes like poorly-educated, lack of cultural appreciation, etc.
Indeed - have people forgotten "Plebgate" already? It was only a few years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebgate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebgate
If it's the same in any context, it's not the context.
It's the context. If someone uses a word in the original context with the original meaning, it's not the the same as a person using the same word in a different context with a different meaning.
You're using both contexts simultaneously, which is moving the goalposts. "pleb" is a shortening of "plebian", which also refers to a group of people based on the circumstances of their birth, i.e. not a group they chose to be in. So you're simultaneously arguing that referring to a group as an insult is only insulting to an individual person and only insulting a group. That's a goalpost shuffle.
May as well.
Going to completely honest but I didn't even know pleb stood for that... It was just something me and my mates used to say to each other when we were younger! Wasn't until someone mentioned the Romans and then i remembered that ITV comedy and it all made sense. The irony of my ignorance has not gone unnoticed
i was being facetious. I know what a pleb is, pleb
But see how it means, or could mean NOTHING to some people?
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He says it quite often, I think there is something to be said if certain words seem on the tip of his tongue on a regular basis. The odd slip or whatever can be excused if it seems massively out of someone's normal behaviour or under extreme circumstances, but if it's something that keeps getting said or a slip that keeps on happening then the old 'no smoke without fire' adage rings a bell.
I have no problem with personal insults, I see that as part of online gaming and banter, at the end of the day calling someone names and swearing at them is just part and parcel, but calling someone a n***** with a hard R comes from a different place, I mean who even uses that as an insult at random people? I've only heard full blown white hood wearing morons use that sort of bile and it's usually directed at a specific black person, not at some random internet unknown whose race isn't even known.
I think it's fairly well understood that certain words are out of bounds, I don't care if black people use it amongst their peers, that doesn't make it ok for anyone else to use it.
I have no problem with personal insults, I see that as part of online gaming and banter, at the end of the day calling someone names and swearing at them is just part and parcel, but calling someone a n***** with a hard R comes from a different place, I mean who even uses that as an insult at random people? I've only heard full blown white hood wearing morons use that sort of bile and it's usually directed at a specific black person, not at some random internet unknown whose race isn't even known.
I think it's fairly well understood that certain words are out of bounds, I don't care if black people use it amongst their peers, that doesn't make it ok for anyone else to use it.
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true tho the latest example he refrained from saying it and still got hated on