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Wait for the NIMBY's to get ahold of that
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Easy of use and cost mainly, same standard and connect across all cars, no need for a new lead every time you get a new car. Surely if you are going electric one of the main reasons is environmental impact so surely the simplest and most environmentally friendly based solution is a single solution regardless of which ever way you cut it, and that's before you throw in other charging solutions such as wireless.
You are far more likely to have problems with no fuel with an ICE car then then no power for an EV. I have been without fuel more times due to fuel strikes then I have been without power.What if the power is off for most of the night?
10 or so years ago my parents (who live out in the sticks) had a power outage that lasted 2 weeks after lightning struck a substation. You'd be screwed if you had an EV in that situation lol
and you can always run an EV from solar panels, wind power, battery storage, or driving down the road to where power is still on. I have ran into far more problems getting fuel then I ever would do with power for an EV.Yea but you can always run a petrol on alcohol and a diesel on cooking oil
But why happens if some lorry drivers go on strike, making that liquid fuel almost impossible to get hold of?
I assume we're now just listing extremely rare instances?
The solution to your example would be - charge it somewhere else. Perhaps at a public charging point, or your work?
I can only assume Nasher is very young and doesn't remember the fuel strikes we have every so often. I don't remember any widespread powercuts that lasted a long time but I clearly remember patrol stations closing due to no fuel, massive queues and panic buying on at least 3 different times since the start of 2000.But why happens if some lorry drivers go on strike, making that liquid fuel almost impossible to get hold of?
I assume we're now just listing extremely rare instances?
The solution to your example would be - charge it somewhere else. Perhaps at a public charging point, or your work?
I suspect that the government will make extra use bands- one for essentials then charging for cars.. no point if the's only enough power for A&E and you decide to plug I your car..
At the moment hospitals and essential services get priority.. no different when electricity is the mainstay.
Its very different because many homes produce there own electricity. While I cannot produce fuel for my ICE car I can produce more electricity in a year then I use.
Again its irrelevant because the lead is attached to the charger so you don't need a new anything, it is no different to picking up the petrol or diesel pump.
All normal electric cars sold in Europe use a type 2 connector which is used for the vast majority of charging. CCS or Chademo supplements this.
The main issue with charging which rarely gets mentioned is charging networks. I will concede this is currently a complete cluster **** and the government or the EU needs to step in here and sort it out. The need for a universal account is paramount or something like accepting contactless payments. Currently you need an account for every network, all have their own method of access and some you need to sign up for in advance to get a RF card to use with the charger. The price/tariffs vary wildly which needs bringing into line.
So could I go out tomorrow and buy a Nissan Leaf then next week go buy a Tesla and use the same charger/lead/whatever you want to call it? Genuine question.
yes as long as you get the tesla adapter
On AC, yes. (In the EU, US is different.)
It's only on DC fast chargers that the standards are different.
This is only needed for Chademo chargers. It's an extra £400 but when your spending £75k in a car whats an extra £400.
You also have access to the much faster Tesla superchargers. Tesla really does have the best of both worlds.
In your example, the place you could have problems is at home. The old Leaf uses a Type 1 socket for fast charging. The standard in Europe is Type 2. If you had a tethered charger installed, the cable would need replacing. If you had an untethered charger installed then there's no problem as in both cases you'd use the cable supplied with the vehicle.
Public fast chargers in Europe are almost exclusively untethered Type 2 chargers. Again, you just use the cable that was supplied with your vehicle. For most EVs, that's a Type 2 cable. For some early EVs like the Leaf, that'll be a Type 2 to Type 1 cable.
With rapid charging, you'll find three cables on most chargers:
- CHAdeMO. This was the standard connector in Japan from about 2008, when the first modern EVs launched. It rolled out to the UK with the launch of the Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi I-MIEV in 2011. Japanese automakers continue to support this standard. It's pretty prolific throughout Europe thanks to strong sales of the Leaf.
- CCS. The standard connector for most US and European manufacturers. CCS cars only started hitting the market in 2013, so some early rapid chargers don't carry this connector.
- Type 2 AC. It's cheap to install, it provides an effective back-up (as every car can charge from this cable), and some cars use it exclusively (Renault's Zoe being the most notable example). It'll likely remain as a back-up on new chargers as it's not an expensive addition. But it seems unlikely that many new models will come out with just AC charging.
With CHAdeMO vs CCS, it comes down to this; in 2011 the SAE Committee selected CCS to be the global standard connector for DC rapid charging. It was chosen because it allowed both DC rapid and AC fast charging through a single socket, and could be adapted to be compatible with Type 2 (Europe) and Type 1 (most of the rest of the world) sockets. By then, the Japanese had been using their own standard, CHAdeMO, in production cars for 3 years, and they had just started releasing these cars in to Europe and the US. The Japanese didn't understand why the SAE Committee wasn't supporting CHAdeMO over CCS, as CHAdeMO was already tried and tested (though arguably a marginally inferior connector). They saw the support by the likes of VAG and GM for the CCS connector as a sly attempt to slow down the global rollout of EVs.
So, rather than rework their cars and follow the global standard, the Japanese carried on with CHAdeMO. They basically said "If you want a single connector, CHAdeMO is it". Two years later, cars with CCS connectors started to hit the market. That's how we've wound up with two standards. And it's quite possible that two standards will remain; Nissan are sticking to CHAdeMO with the new Leaf, and both the EU and the US government have shied away from forcing a standard. The longer two standards exist, the more likely it is that they will have to coexist; too many owners rely on each connector.
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I wonder if 3rd party companies will bring out battery trailers or a battery pack that fits on a roof rack for range boosting
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Yeah, I think it's a good idea. You could hire them out as range extenders for people who need to go on long trips. The Paddy Hopkirk Puffing Billy
Good thanks, done 700 miles since the collection and very pleased.
Refinement is very good compared to the Lexus, comfort is pretty reasonable for a town car.
Performance wise it's not too bad, more than enough to keep up with the flow of traffic and make sensible progress.
Off a standstill it's got very useful pick up and go, no messing with gears and leaves most things behind which is amusing.
It's great not having to go the petrol station anymore, so far I've been achieving about 110 miles a charge.
Which on a 5 day shift at work means charging once per shift.
I get home at half seven in the evening and plug in to the granny charger and it's charged by the time I get in the car at twenty past six in the morning.
The other thing I've noticed is that I drive much more smoothly in it, arriving to destinations much more relaxed.
It's even done a trip to Ikea and proved a useful load lugger, swallowing a large sofa in the back which was amusing.
The heater in it is quite effective from the get go, more so than any other car I've owned or used. Something to do with utilising a heat pump?
The only big downside I've noticed is the size of the A pillars is huge, makes some junctions really tricky lol.