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In a drag race.
When I was specifically pointing out hot hatches and their ability to go around corners.
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In a drag race.
When I was specifically pointing out hot hatches and their ability to go around corners.
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Watch the chris Harris p100d video
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Come to think of it, it might have been a bmw salesman, but they're known for always being rightYep, a standard Golf GTI will beat an i3 all day long without even trying. I remember Clarkson doing it in TGT
.If you constantly smash the loud pedal on an ICE you will also empty the admittedly larger fuel tank much quicker than you would driving it normally....
You can dust most normal cars off the lights in a modern EV. The i3 is 170bhp RWD hatchback, and 0-62 in 7.3. It also does 50-74.5 in 4.9 seconds which is only 0.6 seconds slower than a BMW M4 with DCT.
Agreed a Leaf on the other hand falls off quickly after 30mph but most chav's in their supped up fiesta's will be dusted by that point.
Again you are comparing a focused 'hot hatch' or 'sports car' to something that isn't. The original Tesla Roaster was good around a track and that was years ago, the tech is so much better now. Why not wait for the Zoe RS, Leaf Nismo, i3 M or the new Tesla Roaster that are at least comparable before you make your judgement. A Leaf and Zoe are considerably more refined than a regular Clio and a Note and corner much in the same way.
This really, I just don't like all the special 'blue' bits on it. Just make it normal.
I do like the i3/8, perhaps a bit of a guilty pleasure but the original Leaf is well a bit ugly. New leaf looks decent.
I assume that M4 time is in 7th gear.
I think a lot of people who like e cars need to drive one for longer than 10mins. The novelty wears off quite quick.
The i3 does not handle at all. It’s almost dangerous how quick it goes from feeling ok to suddenly on the limit. Very top heavy
I think a lot of people who like e cars need to drive one for longer than 10mins. The novelty wears off quite quick.
The i3 does not handle at all. It’s almost dangerous how quick it goes from feeling ok to suddenly on the limit. Very top heavy
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Same as the previous e-golf then?
The times were pulled directly from Evo so I would expect them to be real and not biased by having the M4 in top gear.
I would suggest going to speak to some actual EV owners, particularly those that own cars like a Bolt or a 60-75kwh Tesla as that is what you can expect to be able to buy in a normal car in the next 5-10 years. People use them to drive considerable distances without any problems. Plenty of EV taxi's out there which shows they can work for long distance or all day driving.
Well the 4th gear time is 3.5 seconds. And it will do that in 3rd.
This is a bit of an issue with electric cars. People think they are much faster than they are.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/m4/first-drives/bmw-m4-first-drive-review
‘BMW claims the M4 coupé is capable of accelerating from 50mph to 75mph in fourth gear in just 3.5sec. ’
This is a bit of an issue with electric cars. People think they are much faster than they are.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/m4/first-drives/bmw-m4-first-drive-review
‘BMW claims the M4 coupé is capable of accelerating from 50mph to 75mph in fourth gear in just 3.5sec. ’
Yes for Taxi drivers great. But we are taking about fun driving and sporty cars. An i3 is quite amusing when you first drive one with the way it takes off but it’s no hot hatch, it has zero involvement for those who enjoy driving and is one of the worst handling cars I have driven.
There's plenty of videos of people racing in i3s and I've seen it myself. It gets off the line quickly, but just gets munched by anything remotely fast after a few seconds. Then a corner approaches and it all falls apart because it handles like a shed. If your only doing 1/8 mile drag racing, then sure it's fast.
Against an M4, no chance in reality. The only properly quick EVs at the moment are the Teslas.
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The next couple of years are going to be a pretty unique time in car history I think. Things are going to change rapidly and anyone thinking about buying a (normal) new car needs to be careful IMO.
The market is going to change significantly and resale values of new ICE cars may fall dramatically relative to their EV and hybrid siblings.
We were thinking of buying new/nearly new next year but are now considering holding off until at least 2019 as the choice of EV and hybrid is going to be significantly larger, with much larger ranges. Add in the major advances in self driving tech and there’s a perfect storm coming.
Wait two years and you will have a choice of the Model 3 (and possibly Model Y), the longer range new Leaf and various hybrids versions of the small-mid size vehicles and CUVs. There’s even talk of electric and hybrid pickup trucks as well.
The hybrid and electric versions of the Volvo XC40 as well as the AWD Model 3 and Y are of particular interest for us. A lot of the other smaller CUVs also look like they may offer hybrid and electric versions too.
The market is going to change significantly and resale values of new ICE cars may fall dramatically relative to their EV and hybrid siblings.
We were thinking of buying new/nearly new next year but are now considering holding off until at least 2019 as the choice of EV and hybrid is going to be significantly larger, with much larger ranges. Add in the major advances in self driving tech and there’s a perfect storm coming.
Wait two years and you will have a choice of the Model 3 (and possibly Model Y), the longer range new Leaf and various hybrids versions of the small-mid size vehicles and CUVs. There’s even talk of electric and hybrid pickup trucks as well.
The hybrid and electric versions of the Volvo XC40 as well as the AWD Model 3 and Y are of particular interest for us. A lot of the other smaller CUVs also look like they may offer hybrid and electric versions too.
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I agree, I also think that the actual market/lifespan for driver driven electric cars could be pretty short. Maybe a decade of driver driven electric cars before the AI driven cars start to take bites out of that market.
Screw that. I'm never having a self driving car
Problem with EVs at the moment is the fun options are lacking. If I could have my gt86 in electric I'd consider it. But not at a price that wipes out any savings from buying petrol for years to come.
Problem with EVs at the moment is the fun options are lacking. If I could have my gt86 in electric I'd consider it. But not at a price that wipes out any savings from buying petrol for years to come.
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you brought in the P100D comparison, not me.
I stated they're too heavy to handle well, you brought up a P100D in a drag race as a counter to that.
the regular clio already outhandles the regular ZOE, so why would the renaultsport version do any better?
"refined" - who cares. how fast does it go is all I care about, these are sportscars aren't they?
Screw that. I'm never having a self driving car
Problem with EVs at the moment is the fun options are lacking. If I could have my gt86 in electric I'd consider it. But not at a price that wipes out any savings from buying petrol for years to come.
Hence why I said “normal”, not more enthusiast oriented cars.
I calculated last night that compared to the current vehicle we use for longer distance travel I’d probably save in the region of £7k over 10 years (conservatively) at current fuel prices, probably closer to £12k with any realistic increase in oil prices and other trips. That’s a lot of cash if you want to frontload that onto a new car purchase. Obviously YMMV (literally
) so it will depend on how far you drive your car and it’s fuel economy (those numbers are for something that struggles to get more than 20mpg).Out of all the vehicles coming onto the market Teslas options seem to be the most futureproof, if you believe their commentary about being capable of full automation when the law allows. The other ones out there (Volvo, Nissan largely?) look more like souped up cruise control and lane departure. How will they cope in the future?
Where will the government recoup revenues if EVs take off massively? The office for budget responsibility states fuel duty to raise £27.5 billion in 2017-18.
Say EV sales start to rise at a huge rate, will they simply start upping fuel duty for all those remaining on ICE (further pushing people to EV)? Or will they seek to impose higher VAT on energy, forcing energy companies to increase electricity prices for consumers? Or do you think eventually the government will have to try to introduce a pay per mile system, least likely I imagine.
Be interesting/worrying to see how they cope with EV demand. If they want cleaner air, they'll need to make it attractive to go EV, but at the same time, they need to keep the revenue up.
Say EV sales start to rise at a huge rate, will they simply start upping fuel duty for all those remaining on ICE (further pushing people to EV)? Or will they seek to impose higher VAT on energy, forcing energy companies to increase electricity prices for consumers? Or do you think eventually the government will have to try to introduce a pay per mile system, least likely I imagine.
Be interesting/worrying to see how they cope with EV demand. If they want cleaner air, they'll need to make it attractive to go EV, but at the same time, they need to keep the revenue up.
That works out at around 10p a mile. Little black box in all vehicles and charged at the above rate for your mileage and done.
Alternatively front load it onto a registration tax, or charge VED based on physical size or price of vehicle?
Personally I’d prefer the first one as it charges based on actual road use but there are obvious privacy concerns there. That said I presume Tesla (as an example) may well know people’s mileage automatically anyway?
You could also have a system where you’re charged a fee based on your mileage difference at a yearly MOT, but there are obvious issues there - new cars not needing MOTs, differentiating non road mileage (doubt that would be much at all) and dodgy MOT sites changing mileage.
Alternatively front load it onto a registration tax, or charge VED based on physical size or price of vehicle?
Personally I’d prefer the first one as it charges based on actual road use but there are obvious privacy concerns there. That said I presume Tesla (as an example) may well know people’s mileage automatically anyway?
You could also have a system where you’re charged a fee based on your mileage difference at a yearly MOT, but there are obvious issues there - new cars not needing MOTs, differentiating non road mileage (doubt that would be much at all) and dodgy MOT sites changing mileage.
This at first. But then I think it will come from a mixture of things starting tolls on roads using ANPR, higher road tax, tax on public chargers (higher on rapids) and general taxation.
I doubt it will come from domestic electricity as that is a very regressive tax that essentially punishes poor people especially those that do not drive. There no chance that you would get a second metered supply because you can just plug the car in any old 13a socket and get more charge than most people need a day overnight.
I bet they will simply up road tax to obscene levels for cars registered in 2030ish. So in the end, you'll be paying just as much to run an EV as you are a petrol/diesel now.
We are probably at the golden age of cars right now. So find a good one and keep it. Maybe convert it to electric one day
We are probably at the golden age of cars right now. So find a good one and keep it. Maybe convert it to electric one day
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