British Jihadis Should Be Killed Says Rory Stewart

smokedog said:
That's the western political correctness that will cost a lot of innocence lives.
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No one said being a western democracy was easy.

How many murderers have been allowed to walk free because of our justice system and killed again? How many other criminals? Why should these people be any different? If we throw away 1000 years of judicial and democratic process because of a few hundred people then we really deserve what we get.
 
Scam said:
And if all the evidence you have on them is that they travelled to Syria 5yrs ago? The issue is you won't be able to convict half of these people. There is no proof for a judge/jury to convict them of anything. Unfortunately as far as I'm aware it is not a crime to travel to Syria etc.
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Presumably there would be a lot more evidence than that to justify the use of lethal force against them while in Syria.

If the only evidence the UK government has is they were in Syria at some point in the last 5 years then it’s unlikely they will be able to or want to target them in the first place.
 
I don't think that is true per say... targeting an ISIS position or an ISIS convoy is one thing, being able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that person X was fighting with ISIS and committed acts of terror etc.. is rather more difficult
 
I think the worry is that I suspect the likelihood of anywhere near all the surviving scum being locked up on their return is quite small.

There will still possibly be hundreds of them on the street free to corrupt others and worse, commit atrocities here first.
 
I agree, we should lock them up and release them after 10 years. I mean after all prison isn't a perfect place to spread your hatred. No not at all.

A society of soft.... what a spineless country and society we have become, it's embarrassing.
 
dowie said:
I don't think that is true per say... targeting an ISIS position or an ISIS convoy is one thing, being able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that person X was fighting with ISIS and committed acts of terror etc.. is rather more difficult
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That’s a different scenario though, as you say. As I mentioned before attacking a defined military target - such as munitions store, convoy or emplacement - and killing a British national manning that position in the process is different to purposely targeting a British national with no other military benefit.

I doubt many would be against the former. I’m certainly not. That’s war. If they’re manning a militarily significant target then they get what’s coming to them.

The latter is a different kettle of fish, it’s extrajudicial killing/assassination. If the government have the evidence to know that that person has committed a crime and “deserves” killing, AND they know where they are (to be able to actually carry out the killing) then there surely must be enough evidence to convict that person if they ever decided to come back to the west.

The point being is that if the government decide they want to kill these people then there’s going to be a lot more evidence than just having entered Syria 5 years ago.
 
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well I don't see an issue with targeting a British national who is known to be an ISIS fighter either tbh... I believe the French are actively taking this approach too. There is still the distinction that using intelligence to be able to target someone within a war zone doesn't necessarily mean you'd be able to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt in a court.
 
its nothing to do with targeting people because they are British nationals or not

we have been aiding local forces on the ground with airstrikes, the SDF move up, come under fire and the RAF attack the ISIS positions that are engaging our allies
if ISIS trucks are spotted in the open then they are also targeted

The dead ISIS fighters nationality will be found out afterwards
 
ChroniC said:
So who did this...

https://petapixel.com/2016/08/02/26-photos-show-war-changed-syria/

Syria looked like a nice place before.
Is this ISIS doing or USA dropping bombs on everything with the idea that to kill 1 fighter you must kill everybody and everything to get to them.
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To be fair, these before and after pictures are from the early days of fighting between the terrorist rebels and the SSA, ie the Syrian Civil War.

That said, I understand what you saying, whole cities and towns have been destroyed trying to destroy ISIS and the Syrian rebel factions. A lot of these buildings in these pictures will have to be torn down and rebuilt, it's going to take many generations for them to rebuild.

But what else can they do? Urban combat is so deadly, if bombing a building to kill that a few ISIS fighters, isn't it worth it? Then trying to risk lives trying to clear the building by foot?

Realistically the only way to clear a city and leave it intact would be to use chemical warfare, but that upsets people feelings. :rolleyes:
 
robgmun said:
If you go to join ISIS then you stop being a British citizen in my eyes as you've pledged allegiance to another state/flag. At the very least they should be stripped of their passports and denied entry back to the UK
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Issue here is we do not recognise Islamic state, if we did recognise it as legitimate, then it issues passports, we strip the current passport and job is a good one, folks are stuck in hell after fleeing to what they thought would be paradise.
You are not allowed to leave people stateless.
Returnees could be interred, but that'll serve no useful purpose either.

Would probably be easier to have a nice wetwork black ops team make a mess of them in some foreign field, but if that leaked it would be a political mess.
 
Not killed obviously, but certainly not allowed to be let back in. I read earlier that more than 400 have returned which is slightly terrifying. How do we know whether they truly got cold feet, or have come back with a mission?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
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Returnees could be interred, but that'll serve no useful purpose either.
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Give them all a 12 week course in subsistence crofting and Stick em all on West Falkland. Stick all the lifers and three time losers there too.

Have an air drop of basic food once a month out of Mount Pleasant so they don't starve, but otherwise leave them to get on with it....
 
Why has my post been deleted? It broke no forum rules and yet posts suggesting shooting people are still allowed to remain.

Which little mardarse went crying to the mods?
 
Don't agree with Rory Stewart at all. I think these people who have been brainwashed and groomed by these people need help. We need to speak to them, rehabilitate them and understand their grievances. Deradicalise them for integration. Saying "just shoot them" is typical uneducated right wing populist nonsense.
 
HarryJ said:
Don't agree with Rory Stewart at all. I think these people who have been brainwashed and groomed by these people need help. We need to speak to them, rehabilitate them and understand their grievances. Deradicalise them for integration. Saying "just shoot them" is typical uneducated right wing populist nonsense.
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I think the vast majority will be far beyond any "help" judging by the videos I've seen, fanatical is an understatement.
 
HarryJ said:
Don't agree with Rory Stewart at all. I think these people who have been brainwashed and groomed by these people need help. We need to speak to them, rehabilitate them and understand their grievances. Deradicalise them for integration. Saying "just shoot them" is typical uneducated right wing populist nonsense.
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Why don't you offer to put a couple up in your gaff and see how you get on? :) Why the hell should the British public be put at unnecessary risk to placate left wing liberal nonsense from brainwashed do gooders? If you feel for these animals so much why don't you put your life and that of your own families on the line and get involved with them directly? ;)
 
HarryJ said:
Don't agree with Rory Stewart at all. I think these people who have been brainwashed and groomed by these people need help. We need to speak to them, rehabilitate them and understand their grievances. Deradicalise them for integration. Saying "just shoot them" is typical uneducated right wing populist nonsense.
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Wow
 
HarryJ said:
Don't agree with Rory Stewart at all. I think these people who have been brainwashed and groomed by these people need help. We need to speak to them, rehabilitate them and understand their grievances. Deradicalise them for integration. Saying "just shoot them" is typical uneducated right wing populist nonsense.
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Hahahaaa. Love it :)
 
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