Advice ...

Aneskimo · 10 Jan 2018 at 16:48

Hi so after selling off my old build I'm currently in the process of picking up parts for my new build trouble is I'm kinda stuck with what chip to go for so a little help please!

Option A) I can go 8700k build.

or

Option B) Looking on the MM/ known auction site pick up an older 6700k/7700k and motherboard for the price of the 8700k chip alone.

Option C) Ryzen

Whatever route I go the chip will be in a gaming rig, running a 27' 144hz@ 1440p monitor. Thankyou for reading any advice is welcome

Akagi · 10 Jan 2018 at 16:50

Ultimately it depends what you want to do and how you feel about warranty and the level of performance on offer and so on.

There is a difference in performance when gaming as seen in videos such as this:

Jono8 · 10 Jan 2018 at 16:51

For gaming and with that monitor (if you want to make the best of it), a 8700k would be best.

Could always wait to see what the ryzen refresh brings though.

Methos · 10 Jan 2018 at 16:52

the 7700k is a good chip... i'm running it currently

got to think about the future though, with Intel closing off Z270 last year, you won't have any upgrade path with it... upgrading down the line will require an entire new motherboard to go with anything you chose, so it might work out more expensive down the line

at the moment, with barely any information about Ice Lake coming this year... it's a 50/50 chance if Ice Lake will be Z370 again, or will be an entirely new chip again requiring another new motherboard and screwing over yet another set of PC builders.

honestly... i'd wait to see the information about Ice Lake, then decide from there if you want an upgrade path or not.

Aneskimo · 10 Jan 2018 at 17:29

Any idea of when info will be available for Ice Lake? I just don't want to get stuck in the whole see what's happening in 6 month cycle.

Methos · 10 Jan 2018 at 17:35

no clue... everything is up in the air after they announced Coffee Lake early last year and tossed it out there early

we know Cannon Lake's laptop / mobile processors are coming this year early as well... so Ice Lake might be early, or might be on their normal schedule

it's just impossible to tell lately because of last year with AMD doing so well and forcing Intel's hand

mistersprinkles · 10 Jan 2018 at 18:40

Ryzen 2 coming soon and rumor has it that you will get 12c 24t for the price of an 8700K. Similar IPC. Sky high clocks. Juicy juicy.

Jono8 · 10 Jan 2018 at 20:41

mistersprinkles said:
Ryzen 2 coming soon and rumor has it that you will get 12c 24t for the price of an 8700K. Similar IPC. Sky high clocks. Juicy juicy.

That was dis-proven as complete fud.

That might be what we get with 7nm Ryzen but all AMD has said about the stuff coming in April is higher clocks (and i doubt they will be massively higher or "sky high").

I wouldn't get peoples hopes up with talk of a sky high clocked 24 thread cpu coming in April!

mistersprinkles · 10 Jan 2018 at 21:31

Jono8 said:
That was dis-proven as complete fud.

That might be what we get with 7nm Ryzen but all AMD has said about the stuff coming in April is higher clocks (and i doubt they will be massively higher or "sky high").

I wouldn't get peoples hopes up with talk of a sky high clocked 24 thread cpu coming in April!

That's too bad I have read that in a couple of places- that it would be 24t. Sorry for spreading false info but I really thought it was true.

jigger · 10 Jan 2018 at 21:45

Think long and hard about what you will be doing with the 8700K. I would be very careful with Intel chips right now.

Tee Hee Johnson · 10 Jan 2018 at 23:09

Go for the 6700k now, fairly cheap and overclock well!

sideways14a · 10 Jan 2018 at 23:40

I would hold off till Ryzen + drops some numbers in a few months.
I expect 4.5Ghz on overclocks with 5-10% ipc (and latency improved), this would make something like an 8 core 2700 a no brainer for most of the rest of the year.

Aneskimo · 11 Jan 2018 at 10:22

jigger said:
Think long and hard about what you will be doing with the 8700K. I would be very careful with Intel chips right now.

Literally pure gaming with a bit of web browsing. I just want a beast of a gaming rig with a Cpu that will last awhile.

jigger · 11 Jan 2018 at 14:23

Aneskimo said:
Literally pure gaming with a bit of web browsing. I just want a beast of a gaming rig with a Cpu that will last awhile.

Can you hold off?

BongoHunter · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:29

Aneskimo said:
Literally pure gaming with a bit of web browsing. I just want a beast of a gaming rig with a Cpu that will last awhile.

You could always go for an AM4 board now and a cheap Ryzen and upgrade just CPU when needed - AM4 will be around for a while.

Or just go for TR 1900X - that will be beasty PC and play games for a few years, probably lots of years if you went 1920X or 1950X

Aneskimo · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:34

jigger said:
Can you hold off?

How long for? I was planning on purchasing start of Febuary.

BongoHunter said:
You could always go for an AM4 board now and a cheap Ryzen and upgrade just CPU when needed - AM4 will be around for a while.

Or just go for TR 1900X - that will be beasty PC and play games for a few years, probably lots of years if you went 1920X or 1950X

I thought threadripper was more overkill for gaming, as for Am4 I thought the 8700k for gaming would be better than say a 1700/1800? I'm no fanboy so open to the idea of Amd

gavinh87 · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:36

Aneskimo said:
How long for, I was planning on purchasing start of Febuary.

I thought threadripper was overkill as for am4 I thought the 8700k for gaming would be better? I'm no fanboy so open to the idea of amd

My advice is to go and take a look at some benchmarks of your favourite games.

Methos · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:39

Aneskimo said:
I thought threadripper was more overkill for gaming, as for Am4 I thought the 8700k for gaming would be better than say a 1700/1800? I'm no fanboy so open to the idea of Amd

Threadripper won't be any good for gaming... there aren't any games out there that can use the amount of threads for it

you'd be better off with a lower thread count and a higher single clock speed for games and standard use

BongoHunter · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:45

Aneskimo said:
I thought threadripper was more overkill for gaming, as for Am4 I thought the 8700k for gaming would be better than say a 1700/1800? I'm no fanboy so open to the idea of Amd

If gaming benchmarks are your thing then go Intel - they have the highest FPS records in most titles. You will typically find Ryzen is better value, and you can get very close to the Intel peak framerate for much less money. I have found Ryzen chips to offer a very smooth experience - typically because they have a higher threadcount.

I only mentioned TR as you said you wanted a beasty PC - doesn't get much beastier than TR, and I've found mine to be great for gaming, there's nothing it won't run at a very good framerate (so far at least)

Methos said:
Threadripper won't be any good for gaming... there aren't any games out there that can use the amount of threads for it

Great for gaming if you have a load of VMs running and have dozens of browser tabs open at the same time though - I can leave something compiling and not even notice an impact when I start a game up to pass the time!

Methos · 11 Jan 2018 at 17:57

thats true... i was thinking for gaming alone without VM's running

haven't actually done any tests of how it handles with VM's personally so didn't think of that situation