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GPU prices go boom

Crypto coins are worthless as you cant do anything with them but while people are still buying, trading and speculating them and I can make some cash by mining. :p


That doesn't make sense. :D

Worthless? But people are buying them....making them worth something.

You can also spend BTC at some retailers... OCuk's largest competitor for instance.

Yay for mining.:D
 
They are all ponzi schemes... Cheap transactions??? Whose going to pay for a massive distributed computing network to maintain a block chain in the absence of the expectation of quick, large profits of the back of speculation??

Transactions may be relatively cheap now but that's of the back of computers making £££' s mining away to pay their dues...

How's the economics going to work when you can no longer mine new currency as the market is already saturated with what's available crypto currency wise and adding more only devalues the purchasing power of whats in the pool?

Which crypto currencies are going to be useful ones considering how easy it is to set them up?

The UK governent backs a single currency, sterling, giving it a degree of relative stability....

With tens or hundreds of crypto currencies out there in any given market how's that going to work?

And I repeat a fundamental property of a successful currency is the degree to which its purchasing power remains steady over time.... Something no crypto has approached

I also don't seek to conceal that I personally wish for crypto currencies to collapse sooner rather that later as the ones using regular computing hardware as opposed to ASIC's are hurting consumer computing in the long run

You're talking bitcoin. Forget bitcoin. There are other cryptocurrencies. Some of which, with no mining, have 0 transaction fees (personally I think this is a design flaw which should be remedied, a tiny token fee is better than 0 fee). Others near zero. MASSIVELY cheaper than current financial institution costs.

I agree not all the many currencies will survive. But to suggest the whole thing won't is beyond daft - there is a reason stock exchanges are building new exchanges on crypto (not FOR crypto, just using it for regular exchange duties.). It's because it is cheaper for them to run, to the tune of hundreds of millions a year. I'd not be surprised if each major financial business had it's own coins for internal (no ICO etc, so not on the traded markets) then a couple of coin types because the goto for inter-institution transfers (possibly something that exists, quite probably a new coin anyway and again might well not be an ICO'd coin)

So yes, the markets can crash, but your opinion above just demonstrates you've heard a news report on bitcoin, maybe seen a miners thread, and stopped there. I personally look forward to the current mining craze dying as it's pointless and already IMO superseded by better tech but the speculative bubble keeps it going for the time being. That doesn't mean crypto-currencies themselves will cease. Still, regardless of if they cease, I think mining will die which would be the goal* for me as a GPU buyer.
* Though less GPUs sold in total reduced R&D budgets for the makers which can actually hurt us too if the supply/demand imbalance gets worked out.

(As for a currency having steady purchasing power over time - that's not a feature of most fiat currencies either so dunno where you got that idea. Exchange rates fluctuate all the time making items prices fluctuate all the time even in stable economies never mind when inflation gets out of hand or similar)
 
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That doesn't make sense. :D

Worthless? But people are buying them....making them worth something.

You can also spend BTC at some retailers... OCuk's largest competitor for instance.

Yay for mining.:D

The profit that OcUK made when they used to take Bitcoins must be mind-blowing :eek:

By and large companies like ocuk and their leading 'competitor' don't really accept bitcoins ... At least not in the same way that they accept other payments denominatied in sterling ...

They use third party providers who instantly transfer any bitcoin used as payment into the a sterling value which is then transfered to the retailer.... Crypto currencies are too volatile for retailers to use in the same manner that they use normal currencies

Although I can't say with certainty I doubt ocuk, as a company, 'hold' any BTC....
 

The technology behind the block chain may we have some long term use.....


Imo any crypto 'currency' that relies on an ad hoc, unregulated centrally, distributed computing network to 'mine' the currency and to support the processing of the transactions will have a hard time transitioning from a speculative ponzi style scheme to a usable, relatively stable currency that can be used day to day in a similar fashion to a conventional currency.
 
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Same as Paypal then!

Yep it'll never take off

PayPal still uses paynents denominated in currencies like sterling the dollar etc.... Obviously companies use third party providers to offer different payment options but there's not generally the quick swap over from one currency to the next...

I pay using PayPal, in sterling, PayPal take a ‰ fee, in sterling, and transfer the balance to ocuk in sterling....

The payment remains solely denominated in sterling throughout....

I can go into some high street stores and pay with physical euro notes because the euro and sterling and relatively stable compared to one another and the store can take the risk of physically 'holding' my euro currency made in payment utill they can transfer it into an account... Bitcoin would be far too risky for a company to 'hold' in a similar fashion
 
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Riiiiight, thanks for clarifying :)

Well do they? I doubt they could run the risk of holding their working capital in a commodity so unstable as BTC

Generally no one wants to 'hold' a crypto currency like BTC unless their speculating on its value increasing rather unlike a currency like sterling where some companies will hold fairly substantial amounts of the currency for use as their working capital.

If your a speculator and your asset drops say 20-50‰ you can hold onto the 'asset' in the belief that it will in time recover and exceed its original price....

If your a company or an individual with bills to pay and you loose that much as a percentage of your working capital you are in trouble....
 
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With the specific restriction of mined coins - I agree it's unlikely to persist in it's current form. :D

I just get quite frustrated reading media articles that have no clue what they're talking about, often quoting 'experts' who're also clueless. I've only done a very limited amount of development on existing chains, and moderate research into others but can tell the authors and 'experts' are normally way less clued up and are making sweeping assumptions, normally wrong. Apologies for snapping at you!

(Loads of stupid marketing coins of pointlessness don't help! They wind me up too)

Edit: As subbytna points out below I've gone a bit off topic - though only a bit as mining using graphics cards is coupled to pricing fluctuations. Still, I'll go back into my hole and leave you lovely people in peace! May all our cards become super-fast and laughably cheap ;)
 
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I find it a little strange people being happy about the price of their card rising. I sold my card last year for a profit but wasn't happy about it particularly. The reason being is a few £££ is less important to me then the state of pc gaming/hardware currently.
 
Those with virtual fortunes better start thinking about how they are going to cash in, as the reputation of virtual currency goes lower it will end up being impossible to realise any profits , purely due to lack of traceability.

It's amazing how slow and stupid the international community is,
 
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