Who is doing better than him? Welbeck? Giroud? Iwobi? They're all as bad as each other! Even Lacazette is firing blanks now. Maybe a change in personnel is what was needed under Wenger.
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Who is doing better than him? Welbeck? Giroud? Iwobi? They're all as bad as each other! Even Lacazette is firing blanks now. Maybe a change in personnel is what was needed under Wenger.
How so? Lets assume the £30-35m fee for Sanchez is correct, who can Arsenal sign of Mkhitaryan's quality for less than that?
Not too keen on that, I can understand the logic given the terms remaining on contracts but think that represents a poor deal for Arsenal.[/QUOTE
] I don't know mhiki might be good for arsenal i think hes not doing well at united due to the tactics were as wenger tactics is totally different .
] I don't know mhiki might be good for arsenal i think hes not doing well at united due to the tactics were as wenger tactics is totally different .
Yep, Sky have just spoken to him so chances are he's told them it'll be a swap. Seems a fair deal on the whole as we'll end up paying Mkhitaryan to leave, no doubt.
Yeah, it seems logical when you think about it. Mkhitaryan hasn't been great but he's certainly an established high level player who would fit Arsenal's team. I can't see him dragging them through games though at all, they need improvement elsewhere.
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The deal makes sense for all parties really. Arsenal wouldn't be able to get a replacement that's better than Mkhi for the £30-35 fee they wanted for Sanchez, so they might as well just agree to the swap, plus United get Mkhi's £140k per week wages off the books, somewhat softening the blow of paying Sanchez £350k+ per week and they get a player that could be incredible if he can rediscover his form from 12-18 months ago.
The Sky article: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...s-on-henrikh-mkhitaryan-agreeing-arsenal-deal
Interesting points:
Both of these things bode well for a deal being done, especially it being mentioned 6 weeks ago. You would think some groundwork has been laid.
Interesting points:
Both of these things bode well for a deal being done, especially it being mentioned 6 weeks ago. You would think some groundwork has been laid.
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Not sure why Man U need Sanchez tbh.. They are only second in the table because of an extra ordinary Man City side..
Can't just keep chucking money at the game like this.. Working hard with a bit consistency and patience sometimes pays off. This further illustrates to me that Mourinho is only as good as the cheque book on the board room table.
Can't just keep chucking money at the game like this.. Working hard with a bit consistency and patience sometimes pays off. This further illustrates to me that Mourinho is only as good as the cheque book on the board room table.
Jim White, who's usually Raiola's first port of call tweeted earlier today that there's only a 10% chance of Mkhitaryan joining Arsenal and that was a condition of the Sanchez transfer. As I mentioned earlier though, this is probably Raiola pushing for more money.
Tbf, they'd be 2nd in most other seasons too just not a million miles behind. You're spot on about Mourinho though - in Martial and Rashford he's got 2 very talented young players in that position already but he sees Sanchez as a better short term fix.
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Walcott gets goals because he's the single most selfish player I've ever seen play football. When he came on the other day he did the same he always does. Someone passed him the ball, he saw an opposition player within 10 yards, he never tried to run at the fullback, he never tried to progress, he passed it instantly back to Bellerin then he ran up to the box.
He's done that for a decade, 98% of his time on the pitch if he's getting the ball not near the box he gives up his job and immediately passes back to someone else then runs into the box. He gets goals because there is quality around him and we play plenty of different levels of teams. He's also fast with good passers behind him, the goals he got against City in the 6-3 were because in part he was so poor defensively and retaining the ball on the wing that we got destroyed, and a result of being so completely dominated is City stopped defending which left gaps for someone to run into and nab a consolation goal. That is how he's always managed to get goals, but a fundamental part of that is he doesn't do his job on the right wing, he doesn't even try.
In 10 games he'll get 5 goals, 1 might have an effect on points, 3 will be consolation goals and one will be a fluke but in 9 out of 10 games he'll be completely useless in 80 minutes of the game, we'll lose a few of those games and part of the reason is the utter inability to be a threat throughout the game, left wings love it when he plays, with the ball the opposition knows they can double up on the fullback and ignore Walcott, defensively the fullback knows he can just stand roughly in Walcott's way and he'll give up leaving the winger to stay further up the pitch and be ready for a counter.
Welbeck is awful in the box and technically inept, but he at least tries to carry the ball from the half way line to the box, he just can't do anything when he gets there, Iwobi has just become useless under Wenger but I think a new manager and better training, confidence and better tactics and in 2 months he'd be back to his old self and well beyond how Walcott or WElbeck can play. Giroud himself plays great as a striker, far far better than Walcott at finishing in the box and just as useless outside of it.
The thing is Walcott could be good, he could be better, he has like, I think a good 7 or even 8 times in a whole decade decided to actually run at defenders and beaten a few, even scoring after such runs now and then. He is, lets be clear I'm not saying he's Messi quality or even close, but imagine if Messi though phenomenal at dribbling just decided he didn't like it, he didn't like getting kicked so he just never ever bothered. Messi would be vastly vastly worse player if he simply refused to dribble... this is how I view Walcott, he's a player who could be pretty good but he absolutely refuses to actually work hard. He refuses to do 50% of his job, he sees a fullback and he turns around and passes off, he doesn't like the responsibility, he doesn't like the challenge, he doesn't like getting kicked and he backs out of almost every option he has available to him.
The 10 games in a decade he's played at his full potential aren't what you measure him on, it's his average, which is a giant girl of a player who never tries nor plays anywhere near as welll as he could.
Iwobi and Welbeck may be playing trash, but they try, they aren't scared of the ball and they don't back away from every option.
Martial yes, I think Rashford is better as an out and out striker. Martial could be too but we have Lukaku as the first choice there for now and the future. Martial lacks consistency, he's normally very good but can be frustrating at times.
My post was based on Mourinho as your manager. As long as he's there then Martial & Rashford aren't centre forwards. Re Martial being inconsistent, that would be a fair point if you were signing a player that's been performing consistently.
When he was happy at Arsenal he was fairly consistent, since then he's been miserable. I hope we'll get the "old" Sanchez, otherwise this deal is a problem.
£30-£35m for the motivated and inform Mikhitaryan that we saw before his move to Man Utd would be one thing. But he really hasn't been great in his time in the premiership, there is a chance that he will come good but there is probably an equal chance that it'll be £150k a week in wages and he'll be a massive flop.
I'd rather £35m in cash and we'll add on some extra to land a player like Mahrez than accept a straight swap in what could turn out to be a huge gamble. Add some cash on top the Mikhi deal and it becomes more appealing, hell at £35m + Mikhi I'd have snatched your arm off for it, but a straight swap just doesn't seem like good value to me.
Everything you've said regarding Mkhitaryan could be applied to the player you're losing though. This season, while both have been out of form/unhappy, they're output has been very similar - Mkhitaryan averaging a goal or assist every 120mins or so (in League/Europe) with Sanchez averaging a goal or assist every 130mins or so.
If you were selling an in form flying Sanchez and getting an out of sorts Mkhitaryan then fair enough but you're not. You're selling an out of sorts Sanchez that's got 4 months left on his deal and signing an out of sorts Mkhitaryan with over 2 years on his. It's not unreasonable to say their values are fairly equal.
I agree with you for the most part, but with 2 caveats;
* An out of form Sanchez has outperformed an out of form Mkhitaryan while being in a worse team (taking into account the back end of last season also - I've not looked this up, but its a "feeling" I have) Edit: Sanchez also ranks pretty highly on "pre-assists" - he has a direct involvement in something like 45% of our goals this term according to something I read the other day.
* Sanchez is proven in the premiership, his 1st and most of his 3rd seasons he was one of the top players in the league, Mkhitaryan hasn't yet had a breakout season in the premiership so there is a fear on my part that the league doesn't suit him.
I would love to see Mkhitaryan at Arsenal, I think he is a wonderfully talented footballer, great with both feet, and he could be exciting prospect deployed on the wing, but I have huge concerns if the deal to bring him here is a straight swap for Sanchez.
As above, an out of sorts Mkhitaryan is slightly outperforming Sanchez actually. And I agree with your 2nd point which is why with just 4 months on his deal it's fair to say he's worth similar to a player with several years on his deal.
There's definitely more potential upside for Utd than Arsenal but that's countered by the difference in length of contract. If Sanchez had another 2 years on his deal then you get double what you're getting now.