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So, 19th March GDC Nvidia Key Note

lltfdaniel said:
Correct me if i am wrong but AMD cards apparently are better at mining crypto currency then Nvidia cards.
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Not quite true, AMD are better at some algorithms(such as cryptonight), just as NVidia are better at a lot of others. Some low(used to be low) priced AMD cards were a cryptonight rig bargain.
 
One Vision said:
Hi Can somebody tell me what the next gpu from Pascal or Volta is and when its rumoured to arrive?
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You won't see another Pascal card as they're done and milked to death now. In March at their keynote they'll announce the new Volta cards. If they go the same way as Pascal it will be the 1180 first for around £600-700 in May, then a new Titan then a few smaller cards like 1160/70 and then a 1180 Ti in 2019
 
FoxEye said:
The naming schemes have never meant anything, except in your head. You keep saying that the 480 is nVidia's "4th gen" card. 4th gen of what? There were > 4 generations of GPUs and video cards before that.

Also when they renamed the G92 from 8800GT to 9800GT to GTS 250, how is that consistent according to your world view? Same chip, new generation, so how can they just use a completely different naming scheme? (Answer: because they can. Naming schemes on the box mean nothing).

I said they aren't tied to increasing the part of the name before 80,70,60 by one each gen. They aren't. They can skip from 1080 to 2080 if they want. I personally think it's likely they will. But if they don't it's certainly nothing to do with the 11xx series being "11th generation". What does that even mean?

There is no reason for the naming schemes (on the box) except that the marketing dept think they will resonate with consumers. That is the ONLY reason they name cards as they do.

e: Lastly, there is prior art to consider. Intel's CPUs. "1st gen" were 3-digit such as 920, 970. "2nd gen" moved to 4-digits. 2500k, etc. After that the 1st digit increased by one. 3570, 4690, etc. Because... marketing. No other reason.
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What? this post makes no sense what so ever. The number scheme explanation came directly from Nvidia, because people were finding it too confusing when they switched from 9xxx to the2xx cards. It's not from my head, several tech sites explained it at the time of the switch over.

The numbers have always meant something. They aren't just random as you seem to think. Sure, they can pick whatever they like, but, they don't. They have been very consistent with their naming schemes throughout the years.

And what are you talking about? you have never heard of rebrands? They release the 9xxx cards so all the cards are all 9xxx, they don't leave one card called 8800 and likewise when they released the 2xx cards, they don't name the rebrand 9800, they change it to suit the rest of the cards in the lineup. I really can't see how you can't understand this? It's not that difficult.

From the year 2000 until the year 2008 they went with the following naming scheme. The model number followed by the lettering e.g. 8800 GTX

Here's what the lettering means:-

SE/LE - Very low
GS - Low
GSO - Below GT but above GS
GT- Standard/Normal
GTS - Good
GTO - Usually a cut GTX, High
GTX - Very high
Ultra - Usually an OC'd GTX
GX2 - 2 GPU's

OK? and the numbers went like

XXXX e.g. 5500, 6800, etc.

The first number is the series of card.
The second number is the power of the card. Higher usually meant more powerful.
The Third number was rarely used. Again higher is better (7950 as an example)
The Fourth number was always 0.

In 2008/2009 they changed their naming scheme.

They changed to lettering first followed by the numbers. For example, GTX 480

GTX Highest tier.
GT mid and low tier.

XXX e.g. 280, 470 etc.

The first number is the generation of the card.
The second number is the power of the card, higher is better. 9 means dual card.
The third number is the level of performance in that tier. 285 for example.

And I explained what generation mean look at post 63 on this thread. Generation simply means what generation of card it is since the introduction of the naming scheme. 4xx are the fourth generation of cards to released since the naming change. 9xx are the ninth generation of cards to be released. 10xx are the tenth generation of cards. The odd one out is the 3xx cards, they were released OEM only due to Nivdia having problems at the time.

That's the full explanation of the numbering scheme that Nvidia has. They aren't just from my head. Google Nividia numbering scheme there are lots and lots of sites out there that explain it better than me. They don't just pick numbers, letters at random, they have meaning.

So, back to the same question. You think the next cards are going to be 20XX, what does the 20 mean? As I pointed out above, they don't just pick bigger numbers because they sound like a bigger jump in performance, if they did, as you suggested earlier, then they would have went with 10800 GTX and not switched to lower numbers like the 280 GTX.

What does Intel's numbering scheme got to do with Nvidia?
 
melmac said:
SE/LE - Very low
GS - Low
GSO - Below GT but above GS
GT- Standard/Normal
GTS - Good
GTO - Usually a cut GTX, High
GTX - Very high
Ultra - Usually an OC'd GTX
GX2 - 2 GPU's
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GS moniker could be a bit confusing at times - there was a 6800 GS (PCI-e) that was a lower variant of the 6800 GT and a 6800 GS (mostly found in AGP cards) which was cut down from the top end ultra extreme core (which the other GS and GT weren't directly) and was usually more competitive with the GT. A lot of the GS cards actually weren't low end cards, sometimes a lower end card within their tier but not always as intuitive as that even.
 
Rroff said:
GS moniker could be a bit confusing at times - there was a 6800 GS (PCI-e) that was a lower variant of the 6800 GT and a 6800 GS (mostly found in AGP cards) which was cut down from the top end ultra extreme core (which the other GS and GT weren't directly) and was usually more competitive with the GT. A lot of the GS cards actually weren't low end cards, sometimes a lower end card within their tier but not always as intuitive as that even.
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Well, yes, but, cards like that were exceptions and my post was long enough already with picking out individual cards. :) I didn't go into the Ti cards either. It was just to give a broad outline of what the numbers meant and to show that it isn't something that exists only in my head and has nothing to do with my world view.
 
billysielu said:
They could release the best card ever and I still wouldn't buy it.
- the price will be mental
- games don't require better than what we already have
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Yea that is what i think, you don't need bleeding edge pc hardware to play games, it seems game developers have gone down the route of utilising old hardware where it can run on old hardware.
 
Got the chance to grab a new 1060 6gb for £200, not a great price admittedly for a 18 month old product that released for £250, but at there current prices it’s pretty good.
Do we think NVIDIA are going to show new GPU’s? I don’t want to buy a new card only to announced a month later.

It will replacing an r9 290, I wasn’t even looking at buying for a while but I’ve ‘downgraded’ and moved my PC into a microITX build and I’m concerned the 290 runs too hot for such a small case
 
melmac said:
And I explained what generation mean look at post 63 on this thread. Generation simply means what generation of card it is since the introduction of the naming scheme. 4xx are the fourth generation of cards to released since the naming change. 9xx are the ninth generation of cards to be released. 10xx are the tenth generation of cards. The odd one out is the 3xx cards, they were released OEM only due to Nivdia having problems at the time.
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Melmac, have you heard of "circular reasoning"?

You said that they can't/won't/shouldn't change the name because the name indicates the "generation", and this means something. But then you said the what the generation actually means is how many cards have been released... since they last changed the name.

That's so circular my head hurts.

Since the name is tied to the generation, and the generation only indicates when they last changed the name... that means they can change the name at any time, and start a new "1st generation" * of cards ;)

I'm amazed you can't see this.

The only names that mean anything btw are the code names. GP104, etc.

(*There is no such thing - I have never seen the 400 series referred to as "4th gen" by anyone except you.)

e: I retract part of that post, with the following explanation.

Both the codenames ("GP104") and the card names ("GTX 1070") have meaning.

However, the numbers within those names are not calculated, they are assigned. Therefore they are merely part of the name. As such, nVidia could choose to change any of the numbers within those names at will, and not break the cosmic order ;)
 
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ljt said:
Lost all enthusiasm for new GPUs now really. They'll be priced beyond the reach of most gamers due to mining demand anyway.
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Even before the GPU mining price spike GPUs were probably priced about double what they should have been thanks to the lack of competition from AMD. It's a terrible time for PC hardware on so many fronts.
 
FoxEye said:
Melmac, have you heard of "circular reasoning"?

You said that they can't/won't/shouldn't change the name because the name indicates the "generation", and this means something. But then you said the what the generation actually means is how many cards have been released... since they last changed the name.

That's so circular my head hurts.

Since the name is tied to the generation, and the generation only indicates when they last changed the name... that means they can change the name at any time, and start a new "1st generation" * of cards ;)

I'm amazed you can't see this.

The only names that mean anything btw are the code names. GP104, etc.

(*There is no such thing - I have never seen the 400 series referred to as "4th gen" by anyone except you.)

e: I retract part of that post, with the following explanation.

Both the codenames ("GP104") and the card names ("GTX 1070") have meaning.

However, the numbers within those names are not calculated, they are assigned. Therefore they are merely part of the name. As such, nVidia could choose to change any of the numbers within those names at will, and not break the cosmic order ;)
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We are discussing what the name of the next cards will be. You say it's going to be 20xx because that looks like a bigger jump in performance than going to 11xx.

I pointed out the flaw in that reasoning. Which you still haven't answered or even acknowledged.

Whereas I am saying the next card will be called 11xx. Simply because that's what's next and Nvidia have been very consistent in their naming schemes, only changing once in 18 years. But you refuse to acknowledge that either.

So lets look at the card releases since the name change

100(oem), 200, 300(oem), 400, 500, 600, 700, 800(mobile realigning the desktop and mobile names), 900, 1000.

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th.

See any pattern yet?

So 1100 been the next range of cards would be a logical choice.

I have never said Nvidia can't change at any time. I even stated twice that you might be right. But you seem to have a problem admitting that they might not change this time either. The last time they changed was moving from the 9xxx to the 1xx.

Your reason for 20 - marketing
My reason for 11 - Nvidia's consistency for the last 9 years and 11 is next. ​

But what really bugs me about this conversation is that you seem to think I am making the explanations up. For the last time, it's not me that made up this scheme. And I am not going to do the Googling for you. There was a lot of confusion on the changeover, it's pretty easy to find several sites with the naming convention explained.

And I am really curious, take the 200 series cards as an example. If "2" doesn't stand for the generation of the card, what does it mean? You know the 280 is pronounced two, eighty, not two hundred and eighty? Graphic cards are generations, we talk about next gen, older gen, previous gen. Each release of cards is called a generation. But, yet you have real issue with accepting that it might actually stand for generation.
 
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