Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th

NirK · 14 Feb 2018 at 16:06

shamus21 said:
I play at 4k most of the time but with pricing for GPU`s just going higher and higher it is becoming harder to justify the cost and I will just have to switch back to 1080 at some point.

4k to 1080p... ergh

Kirby Wurm · 14 Feb 2018 at 16:29

JTrickle said:
Bit suprised to see it less than 3%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
14.21% 10.73%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
10.10% 9.98%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050
4.35% 4.21%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
2.80% 2.58%

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Aha, my mistake, I should have checked again before posting. Even so the 1060 isn't an awful lot faster than a 970(https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1743?vs=1771) considering the two years between them.

V F · 14 Feb 2018 at 16:42

NirK said:
PC gaming is a lot better than consoles, but when you look at the cost, I think a lot of people are starting to say "is it worth it", if you want to play at 4k 60fps, you are looking at about 2k for a PC. If you want to play at 1080p then that is easy on any half decent PC, but then you might be better off with an Xbox X or PS4 pro etc. Although I really cannot tolerate 30fps that some console games are at, it is not acceptable!

If only most PC games were good today. All this early access crap. Console games are better story wise and immersion.

beany_bot · 15 Feb 2018 at 11:21

V F said:
If only most PC games were good today. All this early access crap. Console games are better story wise and immersion.

I have to agree. What with GPU gouging and RAM pricing I made the jump to console recently. At first I thought I had made a rash decision but as time moves on and on I am happier and happier with my decision. Steam is just a mess of beta, alpha and PRE-ALPHA! games. 95% of them utterly dire. The majority of games that are worth playing are available (with very little real world graphical difference once you are immersed) on consoles. In fact, they often appear first on consoles, or only on consoles. (GTA, Red dead).

Keeping up to date with the latest console will only cost me £50 a year or so. Keeping up to date with the latest gaming PC now is a joke. thousands every couple of years.

PC's used to be fun. affordable, very overclockable and tweak-able, vast improvements every gen. Now stuff doesn't overclock as well, its all about tiny incremental upgrades and milking.

Telecaster · 15 Feb 2018 at 11:32

I'm tempted to go for a console, only problem is I've not long since bought a new desk, chair and gaming monitor.

I thought it would kickstart my interest back into PC gaming but it seems I'm a casual gamer at best these days, only thing putting me off is all the games in my steam account.

DragonQ · 15 Feb 2018 at 11:41

beany_bot said:
I have to agree. What with GPU gouging and RAM pricing I made the jump to console recently. At first I thought I had made a rash decision but as time moves on and on I am happier and happier with my decision. Steam is just a mess of beta, alpha and PRE-ALPHA! games. 95% of them utterly dire.

True but you know you don't have to buy and play them all, right?

I have maybe half a dozen games on Steam that I actually play sometimes, the rest are crap (but only cost a fiver), I've finished with (e.g. Cities Skylines), or have been superseded (e.g. TF2).

beany_bot said:
The majority of games that are worth playing are available (with very little real world graphical difference once you are immersed) on consoles. In fact, they often appear first on consoles, or only on consoles. (GTA, Red dead).

Keeping up to date with the latest console will only cost me £50 a year or so. Keeping up to date with the latest gaming PC now is a joke. thousands every couple of years.

So wait, why does it cost thousands every couple of years to "keep up to date" with PC gaming if you'd be happy with console-esque graphics? The whole reason PC gaming was expensive even before the mining craze is because a GTX 1080 Ti is far more capable than any console. If you're happy with console graphics then you don't need to spend thousands every couple of years. A mid-range GPU will work fine. PC gaming is always going to be expensive given you need to update your whole rig every 5 years, say, but it doesn't need to be "thousands of pounds every couple of years" expensive.

beany_bot said:
PC's used to be fun. affordable, very overclockable and tweak-able, vast improvements every gen. Now stuff doesn't overclock as well, its all about tiny incremental upgrades and milking.

I agree that PC gaming is a more expensive hobby these days and the lack of overclocking etc. does take some fun out of it. Basically Intel and AMD don't differentiate their CPU line-ups primarily by clock speed any more, so there's little incentive for them to provide hefty overclocking headroom (or even any overclocking ability for cheaper chips at all, in Intel's case). Even before the mining craze and RAM price increase, we had a near-decade Intel monopoly providing little improvement and ever-increasing GPU prices (albeit with actual improvements). Some things are better now though, like power efficiency and heat output, AMD's return to competition, SSDs, etc.

Pocah · 15 Feb 2018 at 12:42

It's all very exciting but the miners are going to be a pain here and push the prices up to extreme levels, which will certainly push me out of being able to get one.

HRL · 15 Feb 2018 at 12:52

Pocah said:
It's all very exciting but the miners are going to be a pain here and push the prices up to extreme levels, which will certainly push me out of being able to get one.

Here’s hoping OCUK allow preorders once they have dates/prices. One card per address or something.

I’d put in a preorder for the next 80Ti today if I could although it’ll be a long time coming.

Gregster · 15 Feb 2018 at 13:15

mGPU can do one. I am not interested in going that route again, purely for that very annoying thing called microstutter and the fact that lots of games no longer support it. Pointless way to go.

Silent_Scone · 15 Feb 2018 at 13:19

Gregster said:
mGPU can do one. I am not interested in going that route again, purely for that very annoying thing called microstutter and the fact that lots of games no longer support it. Pointless way to go.

Agreed. Having used 2 to 3 GPUs since it's inception, as of Maxwell Titan, I'm out. Support is currently dead and buried for the most part.

V F · 15 Feb 2018 at 13:22

Gregster said:
mGPU can do one. I am not interested in going that route again, purely for that very annoying thing called microstutter and the fact that lots of games no longer support it. Pointless way to go.

Just goes to show and proves how bad marketing is. I despise it greatly.

Captain · 17 Feb 2018 at 22:39

Is my Titan XP safe for now?

Rroff · 17 Feb 2018 at 23:18

V F said:
Just goes to show and proves how bad marketing is. I despise it greatly.

I had 7950GX2, 8800GT SLI, GTX260 SLI, GTX470 SLI and some other setups on the side for dabbling like 8500GT SLI.

Largely I didn't have microstutter aside from edge cases, 7950GX2 and 8800GT SLI I had to use 3rd party tools to tweak profiles but most games I got working without issues and decent scaling. The last two setups were largely a much improved experience with only occasional tweaking needed until around the time Kepler came out when it started going downhill and having some idea of the nature of mGPU and next gen APIs I didn't bother with it once I moved on from Fermi.

Silent_Scone · 18 Feb 2018 at 11:27

Clov!s said:
Is my Titan XP safe for now?

In what respect? Production will have ceased. If it hasn't, it will very soon. In terms of performance it's still a more than safe bet, but there will be something that supersedes the performance in the coming few months. Technically, there already is.

nashathedog · 18 Feb 2018 at 12:49

Quartz said:
Wow. Nvidia is at 66% before you get to anyone else. I'd never have thought that AMD would be 'down in the noise'. I sorted by name and AMD is down at 6.89% even if you include the old ATI cards. No Vega cards mentioned, either. Of course, AMD hold the console market.

This could be dangerous for Nvidia. The PC gamer market is one of their big revenue streams, but if they price their cards too high for gamers then PC gamers will stop buying and there will be a vicious circle seeing PC games stagnate and disappear. So it's in their long-term interest to keep prices reasonably low.

Someone needs to tell them that.

All you have to do is look at how they've treated gamers over the last year or so, When the 10 series released the 1080 was more than the big chip 980ti even though it was only the small chip Pascal, Then they decided to screw the screws a little tighter and charge a founders tax by claiming the reference cooler was somehow better than it was before, It wasn't but it did it's job of giving them a way to get more money out of the consumer, Then when the 1080ti finally came out and everyone knew there was nothing special about the reference cooler they decided to drop the founders tax. Why? because at that point they knew Vega was near where as last year they knew they could get away with it as AMD had nothing above the 1060 level to compete making them the only option so I wouldn't expect anything different this time around either, Vega flopped and they know there's going to be no competiton for 2018 just like 2016 & 2017.

Danny75 · 18 Feb 2018 at 12:57

nashathedog said:
by claiming the reference cooler was somehow better than it was before, It wasn't

No doubt the board partner coolers keep the actual GPU temps down better, but it would be interesting to see numbers on mosfet temps and failure rates for FE v aftermarket.

nashathedog · 18 Feb 2018 at 13:16

Danny75 said:
No doubt the board partner coolers keep the actual GPU temps down better, but it would be interesting to see numbers on mosfet temps and failure rates for FE v aftermarket.

They might not be that different thanks to EVGA and the ACX cooler.

tyler_jrb · 18 Feb 2018 at 13:23

NirK said:
PC gaming is a lot better than consoles, but when you look at the cost, I think a lot of people are starting to say "is it worth it", if you want to play at 4k 60fps, you are looking at about 2k for a PC. If you want to play at 1080p then that is easy on any half decent PC, but then you might be better off with an Xbox X or PS4 pro etc. Although I really cannot tolerate 30fps that some console games are at, it is not acceptable!

+1 I'd take 1080 60hz over 4k 30hz any day of the week.

The XBX uses roughly medium settings at 4k for its AAA games. It isn't always about having maximum ultra settings as these usually use most the grunt.

You could do it for roughly £700 for the pc alone. Using a 2nd hand 980Ti which is a fair chunk quicker than a 580 and going well priced for what it is (effectively 1070).

You can't beat the XBX on price to perf though.

Combat Fighter · 18 Feb 2018 at 13:45

Is it only going to be be crap reference coolers released first or will there be EVGA variants with the fancy coolers etc coming out at launch?

Danny75 · 18 Feb 2018 at 13:46

nashathedog said:
They might not be that different thanks to EVGA and the ACX cooler.

ICX yeah? Actually interested in one of those next time around, had two aftermarket cards die on me, each only lasted around two years, and I know the second was due to burnt mosfet. I like to monitor stuff anyway, so it'd be reassuring for me.