How much is too much?

Shivy011 said:
Hell yeah on euro truck sim 2 you can get well up to well over 100 in the volvo and scania bad boys
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That makes me laugh in ETS2, in reality, @100mph the engine would be over the red line and leaving the con rods all over the road. :D

They are in reality geared to top out at about 85mph max by which time your well past peak power & torque.

@56mph in top (12th) gear your at the bottom of the “green band” on the tachometer - 1200 rpm - and at the top of it in 11th - 1500 rpm - it red lines @2500 rpm.
 
@ianh you can't heel toe in a VW can you? In any VW group car I've driven, the throttle gets cut when the brake is pressed. (Polo, Octavia, Golf, A6)
 
You sure? Never noticed that myself

Edit - bit of reading suggests that if you're on throttle and brake, it'll cut power but if you're coming off the throttle to brake and then blipping the throttle to rev match, it'll allow that to happen still
 
Heel/Toe, rather than "left foot braking", was do-able in a the loan Golf (58 plate IIRC). My method was, with the toe of the right foot on the brake, when you dip the clutch to change to a lower gear you also use the heel of the right foot to blip the throttle to rev match so the revs match the new gearing speed when you lift of the clutch in your new lower gear. That way there was no "throttle cut" like there would be with left foot braking (using both brake and throttle at the same time whilst in gear) but I've no idea if that was due to the clutch being in which bypasses the throttle cut?
 
ianh said:
Heel/Toe, rather than "left foot braking", was do-able in a the loan Golf (58 plate IIRC). My method was, with the toe of the right foot on the brake, when you dip the clutch to change to a lower gear you also use the heel of the right foot to blip the throttle to rev match so the revs match the new gearing speed when you lift of the clutch in your new lower gear. That way there was no "throttle cut" like there would be with left foot braking (using both brake and throttle at the same time whilst in gear) but I've no idea if that was due to the clutch being in which bypasses the throttle cut?
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Maybe its different on slightly more modern ones. The VW group cars I drove were 2002, 2002, 2001 and 2003. What you described didn't work at all in them. Made me very sad when I had my Polo. :(
 
Diddums said:
Slow car fast > fast car slow.
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Sorry, but I'd say the exact opposite. I've driven cars from 64bhp to 400, and all on effectively the same roads. And the more power, the more relaxing the drive. Ragging the ***s off a car just to get it to move is not my idea of fun, especially as that sort of car sounds **** at high revs. Even stuck behind a lemming at 40mph is fun in my car on the right road.
 
I can officially say

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This is NOT enough.
 
Scania said:
That makes me laugh in ETS2, in reality, @100mph the engine would be over the red line and leaving the con rods all over the road. :D

They are in reality geared to top out at about 85mph max by which time your well past peak power & torque.

@56mph in top (12th) gear your at the bottom of the “green band” on the tachometer - 1200 rpm - and at the top of it in 11th - 1500 rpm - it red lines @2500 rpm.
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There are some over here which will do close to 100. Regularly get passed at 85-90 by stuff like this


I once passed a bus on the highway with 105mph showing on my speedo - it took several seconds to fully pass him so he must have been doing not far off 100.
 
Meridian said:
Sorry, but I'd say the exact opposite. I've driven cars from 64bhp to 400, and all on effectively the same roads. And the more power, the more relaxing the drive. Ragging the ***s off a car just to get it to move is not my idea of fun, especially as that sort of car sounds **** at high revs. Even stuck behind a lemming at 40mph is fun in my car on the right road.
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just because your car has less than 100hp or less than 130hp doesnt mean you got to rag it everywhere, these cars are capable of driving normally, with 118hp from my 1.6 i dont need to rag it, happily drives normally and from 30mph in 5th, having more power encourages faster driving because of the sense of speed from such power

i have noticed on my drive to work, people with quick cars overtaking in stupid places with oncoming traffic just because of that performance so they think they are good to get away with it.
 
Acme said:
Maybe its different on slightly more modern ones. The VW group cars I drove were 2002, 2002, 2001 and 2003. What you described didn't work at all in them. Made me very sad when I had my Polo. :(
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My 2010 Polo does it too which made it interesting when I decided to apply a tiny bit of brake to get the brake-light to light up with somebody very close behind. Either way it got the message across :p
 
adolf hamster said:
well in fairness a faster accelerating car is going to allow safe overtaking where a slower car would not.
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in some cases, but these are not always that safe, one of these cars overtook me on a bend while i was doing 60 which a car nearly on the bend coming towards us then overtook a box van on another bend at same speeds just to gain 1 space and as they was side by side a car was close, it was a diesel volvo v40 on a 67 plate so brand new, i overtake when its safe and not on bends even in faster cars, theres no excuse to be cocky.
 
geekman said:
There are some over here which will do close to 100. Regularly get passed at 85-90 by stuff like this


I once passed a bus on the highway with 105mph showing on my speedo - it took several seconds to fully pass him so he must have been doing not far off 100.
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Down to different gearing / final drive ratios , for some reason big American style rigs are geared to do way more than European ones, “ours” are geared to deliver optimum efficiency rather than speed - I guess fuel costs isn’t such a big deal with prices being lower - although why on earth you’d want to pull 30-40 tons at anything over say 65 mph is beyond me!
 
Scania said:
Down to different gearing / final drive ratios , for some reason big American style rigs are geared to do way more than European ones, “ours” are geared to deliver optimum efficiency rather than speed - I guess fuel costs isn’t such a big deal with prices being lower - although why on earth you’d want to pull 30-40 tons at anything over say 65 mph is beyond me!
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The ets2 ones had the upgraded 12 or 16 speed gearbox :)
 
Shivy011 said:
The ets2 ones had the upgraded 12 or 16 speed gearbox :)
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Euro spec trucks are 12 speed (12 forward gears, 2 reverse)

The 16 speed sounds like what used to be available on the US market some years back, a Spicer 16speed twin stick transmission.
 
ExoMale said:
in some cases, but these are not always that safe, one of these cars overtook me on a bend while i was doing 60 which a car nearly on the bend coming towards us then overtook a box van on another bend at same speeds just to gain 1 space and as they was side by side a car was close, it was a diesel volvo v40 on a 67 plate so brand new, i overtake when its safe and not on bends even in faster cars, theres no excuse to be cocky.
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Morons overtaking on a bend is completely different from someone using their faster car to dispatch an overtake faster in appropriate conditions
 
If you have more power though, yes you are able to overtake quicker and seemingly safer, but doesn't the gap just move forward more and risk is increased because of the speed?
 
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