This 'sugar tax' crap is doing my head in!

if you excercise enough or exert enough energy you are fine.doesnt matter what you eat or drink.drank coke for many years never put a lb on because of it.if you sitting still drinking 4 litres of it a day then yes its not going to help .

Even if you burn the calories, the rollercoaster of insulin spikes still puts you at risk of diabetes.
 
everything gives you a risk . a women i used to work with worried every dinner time about how much salt was in everything she ate . this went on for years.then one dinner time i said " have you ever wondered which is more harmful ? the eating the small amount of salt you eat each lunch or the worrying you do angonising over it ?

everything is bad for you. just eat , drink in moderation and do excercise in moderation. too many people worry too much about what they eat and drink.most health issues are already in your body waiting to come out . genetics.
 
if you excercise enough or exert enough energy you are fine.doesnt matter what you eat or drink.drank coke for many years never put a lb on because of it.if you sitting still drinking 4 litres of it a day then yes its not going to help .
lol. and this is where the government have utterly failed by pushing obesity message to far.
diabetes is on the increase in normal weight people for a good reason. so many peopel think they are healthy because they aren't overweight, this just isn't true. it's a shame because cheap blood tests can tell you years in advance, but that's too expensive compared to just a dr have a 1secon look at weight.
 
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probably they been drinking cola all day ?
theres many places to get excess carbs not just coke and none of which changes what you wrote is utterly wrong. its not just excess carbs either. no amount of calorie control or exercise would protect you from damaging trans fats etc.

unfortunately as seen in this thread and similar the majority of people think like you, that if you are a normal weight you are good to eat as you please and aren't at high risk.
 
Well, the sugar tax is now in force. I'm not going to get into the rights or wrongs of the tax, or sugar vs sweeteners, those have been flogged to death already.

But I've been very surprised by the industry's near uniform response to the tax. Pretty much every soft drink brand I can find on the shelves now contains artificial sweeteners. None of the manufacturers (bar Coca-Cola) seem to believe their customers will pay the extra for the original sugar sweetened version of their drinks.

I'm wondering if they've got this one wrong, though. Several of my friends and family like Irn Bru (I'm in Scotland, so of course they do :)) and they've spent the last few weeks scouring shops for the last few cans/bottles of 'old' sugar-sweetened Irn Bru. None of them will touch the 'reformulated' stuff. Are they representative of how the public at large will react, well who knows. I guess AG Barr's next quarterly sales figures will tell us.
 
Probably not economic to continue with two production lines, are the old recipes available elsewhere in the world - Europe
The return of the Booze cruise has already been discussed wrt Brexit , the boot could be shared with your favourite soft drink.
 
Even if you burn the calories, the rollercoaster of insulin spikes still puts you at risk of diabetes.

This just isn't correct, a healthy human being is perfectly fine to drink coca-cola and there's nothing linking sugar intake to diabetes, diabetes is linked to obesity, genetics, and probably sedentary life styles in general.
 
This just isn't correct, a healthy human being is perfectly fine to drink coca-cola and there's nothing linking sugar intake to diabetes, diabetes is linked to obesity, genetics, and probably sedentary life styles in general.


There are plenty of links to abusing sugar causing diabetes and insulin resistance
 
Feel free to link to some pub med studies


Signal is really **** on the train sorry but just Google sugar and insulin resistance it bring up a lot

It's hardly surprising that repeted insulin spikes or continuously high sugar intake causes insulin resistance.

You gotta remeber some people sit drinking this stuff all day so thier body is constantly trying to batter down the blood sugar.

I dont think the tax will do anything to change thier habits thoigh.

Not unless it's like 2 quid extra a bottle
 
Feel free to link to some pub med studies
Oh dear no wonder we need the sugar tax.
When I'm at home I will.
Diabetes, obesity all due to metabolic syndrome. You can have that when normal weight. Otis absolutely linked to excesscarba. This is one of the Dow sides of o my pushing obesity,people like you think you are helath you may well not be and hba1c test does not tell you anything unless you are allready extremely broken. You can have increased Insulin levels for decades before your body gives up and shows increased glucose levels.
 
Signal is really **** on the train sorry but just Google sugar and insulin resistance it bring up a lot

It's hardly surprising that repeted insulin spikes or continuously high sugar intake causes insulin resistance.

You gotta remeber some people sit drinking this stuff all day so thier body is constantly trying to batter down the blood sugar.

I dont think the tax will do anything to change thier habits thoigh.

Not unless it's like 2 quid extra a bottle

The thing is sugar doesn't really spike insulin much in healthy adults, for instance bodybuilders have to physically inject insulin to get a spike so that it promotes muscle growth. If all they needed to do was drink a coca-cola to get a big insulin spike then they'd just do that instead. There's obviously a spike in blood sugar, especially if you haven't eaten anything else, but this insulin spike thing is massively overblown and completely different to diabetes.
 
Oh dear no wonder we need the sugar tax.
When I'm at home I will.
Diabetes, obesity all due to metabolic syndrome. You can have that when normal weight. Otis absolutely linked to excesscarba. This is one of the Dow sides of o my pushing obesity,people like you think you are helath you may well not be and hba1c test does not tell you anything unless you are allready extremely broken. You can have increased Insulin levels for decades before your body gives up and shows increased glucose levels.

It's probably not people like me since I don't drink full fat coke and don't even have sugar in my tea, but ok I'm looking forward to being better informed
 
I hope the energy drinks don't go up in price for example the silver 35p cans you get from newsagents/corner shop places. Been living off those for 10+ years.
 
This just isn't correct, a healthy human being is perfectly fine to drink coca-cola and there's nothing linking sugar intake to diabetes, diabetes is linked to obesity, genetics, and probably sedentary life styles in general.

here is a counter argument paper , so 100people each drinking a can a day, 1 of them could become diabetic, the details on different countries are interesting
The Relationship of Sugar to Population-Level Diabetes Prevalence: An Econometric Analysis of Repeated Cross-Sectional Data
While experimental and observational studies suggest that sugar intake is associated with the development of type 2 diabetes, independent of its role in obesity, it is unclear whether alterations in sugar intake can account for differences in diabetes prevalence among overall populations. Using econometric models of repeated cross-sectional data on diabetes and nutritional components of food from 175 countries, we found that every 150 kcal/person/day increase in sugar availability (about one can of soda/day) was associated with increased diabetes prevalence by 1.1% (p <0.001) after testing for potential selection biases and controlling for other food types (including fibers, meats, fruits, oils, cereals), total calories, overweight and obesity, period-effects, and several socioeconomic variables such as aging, urbanization and income. No other food types yielded significant individual associations with diabetes prevalence after controlling for obesity and other confounders. The impact of sugar on diabetes was independent of sedentary behavior and alcohol use, and the effect was modified but not confounded by obesity or overweight. Duration and degree of sugar exposure correlated significantly with diabetes prevalence in a dose-dependent manner, while declines in sugar exposure correlated with significant subsequent declines in diabetes rates independently of other socioeconomic, dietary and obesity prevalence changes. Differences in sugar availability statistically explain variations in diabetes prevalence rates at a population level that are not explained by physical activity, overweight or obesity.

At a population level, however, obesity does not fully explain variations and trends in diabetes prevalence rates observed in many countries. As shown in Figure 1 , several countries with high diabetes prevalence rates have low obesity rates, and vice versa. High diabetes yet low obesity prevalence are observed in countries with different ethnic compositions, such as the Philippines, Romania, France, Bangladesh and Georgia, although there are likely surveillance quality differences between nations [6], [7]. Trends in diabetes and obesity are also dyssynchronous within some nations; while Sri Lanka’s diabetes prevalence rate rose from 3% in the year 2000 to 11% in 2010, its obesity rate remained at 0.1% during that time period. Conversely, diabetes prevalence in New Zealand declined from 8% in 2000 to 5% in 2010 while obesity rates in the country rose from 23% to 34% during that decade. Similar trends of declining diabetes rates despite rising obesity rates were observed in Pakistan and Iceland. There are not obvious ethnic or socio-demographic commonalities between these countries to explain these observations. This population-level puzzle is accompanied by individual-level data. About 20% of obese individuals appear to have normal insulin regulation and normal metabolic indices (no indication of diabetes) and normal longevity [8], while up to 40% of normal weight people in some populations manifest aspects of the “metabolic syndrome” [9][12]
 
About time the Govt did something about the unhealthy crap manufacturers have been shovelling out for years. The Govt with it's softly-softly approach to them have been trying for decades to get them to agree a common 'traffic lights' warning about salt, sugar and fat so customers can choose. They ignored the Govt for years, waffled on and then they produced different systems to continue to evade giving customers advice. It is no use saying it is the customers fault as they have no idea how much crap is in the product they buy. How many people would have known that one blueberry muffin would exceed your daily sugar intake, as highlighted on the news last week.
it is the taxpayer who picks up the bill for the NHS to deal with all the problems caused by excess sugar, it is not just obesity excess sugar causes. This tax should have happened twenty years ago.
 
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