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[H]ardOCP: GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It looks like MSI and Asus have apparently signed up:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-17#post-1043529143

Also,it looks like the "perks" were already there,so the GPP is now an additional agreement to keep getting them,but with the "new" conditions:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-18#post-1043529847
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Will be interesting times, personally i'd be surprised if Asus etc have to only have Geforce products as part of its "gaming brand" or this requirement thats been reported is wrong as this would also mean they cant sell ROG freesync monitors etc aswell but only time will tell
 
kitfit1 said:
+1

It makes complete sense for AMD and Intel to just join forces in legal action against Nvidia. AMD on it's own would be cash strapped to fight Nvidia. As we all know though, Intel has very deep pockets and in a joint action has more money to throw at lawyers than Nvidia could ever hope to have.
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Why should Intel join forces? Intel themself will be the company which might force AMD out of the discrete gpu market. When intel joins the market they will bundle their cpus and gpus and easily get a lot of market share through oems. You will mostly just have intel cpu with intel cpu and just in the premium other combinations. But as Nvidia is stronger there it will come down to only intel/nv combinations and amd will be only in amd/amd systems. 1 player less = more profits for intel.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It looks like MSI and Asus have apparently signed up:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-17#post-1043529143

Also,it looks like the "perks" were already there,so the GPP is now an additional agreement to keep getting them,but with the "new" conditions:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-18#post-1043529847
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Such perks are always there. That's standard marketing, nothing special. We'll see how it turns out now.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Such trivial things are deemed tyrannical if it's coming out of NVIDIA depending on who you ask
ASUS signed up pretty much off the bat I think, they've already been asked to change their GPU naming scheme.
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You and Samwell clearly haven't even bothered to read any of it before commenting.

What nVidia are doing is banning vendors from selling competitors gaming marketed cards if the wish to be a part of GPP, if they don't wish to be a part of the GPP they will lose access to crucial before release technical data, upto this point vendors have always had access to technical data so they can develop their cards in time for launch, nVidia will now remove that if you're not a part of the GPP, that means they wont be able to launch their own cards until long after the cards had been launched because they wont be able to start development on them until post launch, its effectively holding a gun to their head.

Yes, in this case nVidia are being tyrannical.
 
humbug said:
They problem with this sort of approach is money, a fighting fund.

It really is as simple as this, nVidia may want AMD to take them to court, why? so they can bury AMD in expensive legal fees they can i'll afford, basically the idea is do something to a weaker competitor that will kill them off from lack of sales or money, like really anti competitive and destructive actions, if AMD don't take legal action over it they sink, if AMD do take legal action over it nVidia will make sure its as expensive as possible and drags on for as long as it takes for them to run out of money, either way AMD sink and nVidia pick over the dead carcass.

Think that sounds too ridiculous? it happens all the time, so when people ask in confusion "why would nVidia do this, they already have 85% market share????" well that's why.
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Very good point
 
humbug said:
You and Samwell clearly haven't even bothered to read any of it before commenting.

What nVidia are doing is banning vendors from selling competitors gaming marketed cards if the wish to be a part of GPP, if they don't wish to be a part of the GPP they will lose access to crucial before release technical data, upto this point vendors have always had access to technical data so they can develop their cards in time for launch, nVidia will now remove that if you're not a part of the GPP, that means they wont be able to launch their own cards until long after the cards had been launched because they wont be able to start development on them until post launch, its effectively holding a gun to their head.

Yes, in this case nVidia are being tyrannical.
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And what's stopping vendors from joining GPP, Humbug?
 
humbug said:
Can you expand on that because it makes no sense in the context of what you quoted, Vendors get punished if they don't join the GPP.
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Expand on what? It's a fairly straightforward question. You're saying they get penalized or "punished" for not joining. What exactly is keeping them from joining straightaway?
 
Silent_Scone said:
Expand on what? It's a fairly straightforward question. You're saying they get penalized or "punished" for not joining. What exactly is keeping them from joining straightaway?
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Your question doesn't really make sense. Nothing is stopping them joining, the point is they kinda have to join to remain competitive, despite the negative effects it will have on consumer choice.

The only way this can be stopped is if (a) all the major partners join forces and refuse to go along with it unless nVidia change their rules, or (b) someone sues nVidia. I'd prefer the former since the latter will take years to resolve. Imagine if all their partners said "no, your terms are ludicrous" - do you think nVidia would stop giving ALL of them extra support and early samples, etc.?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It looks like MSI and Asus have apparently signed up:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-17#post-1043529143
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Completely unsurprising, as I'm sure the majority of the graphics cards they sell are Nvidia and they know which side their bread is buttered, but disappointing. Realistically, only Asus, MSI and Gigabyte have enough clout to push back against this of the board partners that sell cards for both sides, and it seems they have no mind to. Clearly the partners that only make Nvidia cards aren't going to object, so I'd say this "war" has already been won by Nvidia, regardless of how much people kick and scream about it on message boards (and let's face it, the outrage will soon die down and be completely forgotten by the time Turing arrives).
 
Silent_Scone said:
Expand on what? It's a fairly straightforward question. You're saying they get penalized or "punished" for not joining. What exactly is keeping them from joining straightaway?
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I cannot explain it any better than DragonQ has, Nothing is stopping them joining, nVidia take punitive measures against them if they don't.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Surely by stopping you there, it makes perfect sense. Do you think board partners have the same misplaced moral disposition that some of you have lol.
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GPU Vendors just want to sell as many GPU's as they can and build up mind share with consumers. because of nVidia's actions here those vendors will lose access to a segment of the market, they have no choice, nVidia is effectively holding a gun to their heads.
 
NVIDIA is now approaching sites with a rather negative message if they give this GPP story any coverage other than to paint our reporting in a negative light, dismissing it as nonsense and not worth the coverage.
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From more than one source as well.
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Worth noting, not one single site has contacted me about this except PCWorld. Doing a live interview with them at 12:30pm CDT today.
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https://hardforum.com/threads/gefor...nsumer-choice.1955963/page-18#post-1043530836
 
humbug said:
GPU Vendors just want to sell as many GPU's as they can and build up mind share with consumers. because of nVidia's actions here those vendors will lose access to a segment of the market, they have no choice, nVidia is effectively holding a gun to their heads.
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They don;t loose access to a segment of a market. Asus and the likes would be free to sell AMD GPUs, they just have to differentiate their marketing terms.
 
D.P. said:
They don;t loose access to a segment of a market. Asus and the likes would be free to sell AMD GPUs, they just have to differentiate their marketing terms.
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Not sure if I missed a earlier post of yours, but what are your thoughts on this whole situation DP?
 
D.P. said:
They don;t loose access to a segment of a market. Asus and the likes would be free to sell AMD GPUs, they just have to differentiate their marketing terms.
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Yes, they are not allowed to market AMD GPU's as "Gaming GPU's" that's the main segment they are not allowed to market for.
 
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