There are stacks of thigns AMD have done such as withholding driver updates to the 290x and saving them for the 290 re-brand which AMD insisted was not a re-brand, and blocked the driver form installing on ot the 290s. Only some people hacked the 290 firmware onto the 290 and managed to install the new drivers and magically got the exact same performance, thus forcing AMD to open op the driver updates to the 290 series, of course only after all the reviews were done.
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There are stacks of thigns AMD have done such as withholding driver updates to the 290x and saving them for the 290 re-brand which AMD insisted was not a re-brand, and blocked the driver form installing on ot the 290s. Only some people hacked the 290 firmware onto the 290 and managed to install the new drivers and magically got the exact same performance, thus forcing AMD to open op the driver updates to the 290 series, of course only after all the reviews were done.
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I remember the time AMD held back some drivers for months, until FreeSync monitors got released, there was absolute hell on 
To be fair, as long as Nvidia ships the the real deal, a stage prop doesn't set me off personally.
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That settles it then. I will not be buying from Nvidia again and neither will my family and friends if I can help it. AMD has already won my favour by tending to offer open technology as opposed to Nvidia with their proprietary drivel e.g. FreeSync versus G-Sync. Another example is AMD providing open source graphics drivers on Linux with Nvidia going the opposite route, going so far as to hinder development of the open source graphics drivers for their own cards. Whatever Nvidia does seems to be closed in nature and sometimes rather shady e.g. the whole GTX 970 and its 3.5GB of RAM fiasco. In conclusion, it is not just AMD persuading me to buy AMD products; Nvidia is actively dissuading me from buying Nvidia products as well!
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AMD tend to go open source with there stuff when they don't have the cash or man power to maintain and develop it them self's
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I do not think that will help. I have read plenty of comments on the matter and in doing so have learned that even when AMD releases superior products, Nvidia still has far greater sales numbers due to the mindshare Nvidia holds amongst gamers. An example of this is the HD 5000 series from AMD and the GeForce 400 series from Nvidia, where the latter outsold the former by quite a bit despite the former being superior. It is all about marketing in the end. This very thread is about how Nvidia wants to further consolidate its position in the industry by claiming exclusivity of the gaming brands developed by hardware manufacturers, shutting out AMD in the process. Products designed for "gaming" sell more after all.
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Keep seeing the word mindshare thrown about as if the performance numbers mean nothing. The fact you had to go back to Fermi to make an example speaks words.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
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5000 Vs 400 , it was a case of bank for buck (I had 5850 Xfire at the time) and Ultimate performance. If you have the fastest card that marketing and mind set will trickle down into the mind of consumers for all your products.
Mindshare takes time to develop. You cant get lucky with a 1 one-off hit product. you need to consistently show superiority generation after generation. When that happens you can ride out a poorer product. when you have a history of being 2nd best and occasionally get lucky, their is momentum to overcome.
And the 5000 vs 400 is not really a valid comparison. the 400 series had the performance and the features, drivers were decent. At the low and mid-range where most of the sales were the Fermi cards were extremely competitive. Fermi was a little late and draw a little too much power (but nothing compared to the difference between Vega vs Pasal for example). For the metric buyers cared about it was a decent offering, and Nvidia was riding on a wave of success after AMD faltered with the 2000 and 3000 cards
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That is fine. Even when the market was more balanced, I don't remember Nvidia ever going the more open route, though. If I am wrong about this, I would be happy to be corrected.
Nvidia are big supporters of Open-source. They have renowned OpenGL driver support for example, beat AMD to the punch in releasing Vulkan drivers. Nvida's vice president of mobile computing Neil Travit is the president of the open source Khronus group responsible for OpenCL, openGl and Vulkan. Nvidia have a very popular open source deep learning architecture. nvidia's developer website is filed with open source code, much of the same code that went into gameworks. Nvidia do keep their drivers close source for IP reasons, which si fair enough. Importantly, they fulyl support linux with excellent drivers though.
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The Titan launched in Feb of 2013, the 290X launched in October 2013, the 780 launched in May 2013 and the faster over all of those (780Ti) launched in November 2013, so whilst all this talk of mind share continues, NVidia had a bit of a free run with no competition all those years ago. Now if we look at 2012 GPU market share between AMD and NVidia was pretty tight (as I can tell). Move on a few years and AMD is always late to the party and in the modern world of "I want it now", I can't see why AMD would grow in the gaming sector (probably will do very well out of the mining sector though).
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I see. Thank you for elaborating. Do Nvidia not ignore a bunch of standards pertaining to OpenGL, however? I have seen people say that we have OpenGL and NvidiaGL. Stuff that should not work works under Nvidia's implementation of OpenGL as it does not conform to the specifications set by the Khronos Group judging from my reading.
Yes, Nvidia do support Linux, but go out of their way to hinder development of the open source graphics drivers for their own cards. In addition to that, Nvidia even removed a feature from their proprietary graphics drivers because the Windows equivalent did not have it.
Where is Nvidia's open equivalent to FreeSync? GPUOpen? AMD's open source graphics drivers for Linux?
No, Nvidia's openGL drivers are 100% compliant and meets all specifications.
I think where you are confused is that because Nvidia is such a big supporter of OpenGL, they have provided a lot fo extensions, which is perfectly valid under OpenGL. AMD also have plenty of extensions, but Nvidia are just more active. AMD just don;t care that much about openGL beyond supporting some productivity software. Nvidia ensure that every advanced feature found DX is also found in OpenGL. In fact, the features often appear in OpenGL while waiting for new DX versions.m A developer that leverages all these extensions can get big performance imrpovements.
Vulkan is the same, it allows extensions, and Nvidia and MAD are adding their own extensions.
We will see if AMD give Vulkan the same support as NVidia .
Freesync is opens source, AMD keeps the source closed.
The source code for almost all gameswokrs effects can be downloaded.
https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworks-source-github
Nowhere.
Look at even something new like the Ray Tracing. Nvidia supports it on Volta or better architecture only and closed code.
AMD releases exactly the same tech, for everyone in open source via the GPUOpen and works on Hawaii GPU or better!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, even something new, like realtime ray tracing. So now we're shocked and appauled that shader technology isn't backwards compatible. No reason can comfort some of the minds in this thread, I fear.
Lots wrong with this.
AMD have not released the exact same technology, in fact it is very , very different.
Nvidia require Volta architecture because that is the only architecture with the tendor cores which leads to a 14x speed up over Pascal.
Nvidia solution uses the DX12 API, it is not proprietary.
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