Unfortunately I agree. With the NHS we have to tax foods that take their toll indirectly on the NHS. If we had the USA system wouldn't be so bad. But the NHS is a good thing. But obesity is taking its toll
This 'sugar tax' crap is doing my head in!
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Unfortunately I agree. With the NHS we have to tax foods that take their toll indirectly on the NHS. If we had the USA system wouldn't be so bad. But the NHS is a good thing. But obesity is taking its toll
But getting obese is a user error and it's easy to avoid. They should start asking them to pay more in towards their care in NI.
We have people suffering from serious conditions which aren't their fault (like cancer) who can't get certain expensive drugs/treatment on the NHS, because they are swamped with people who can't stop eating KFC.
We need to get much tougher on it and force people to take responsibility for being obese.
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I don’t agree with the sugar tax, my two girls have a rare metobolic diet and all the low sugar or sugar replaced have aspartame in and they can’t erink this, which forces them to most of the fatty drinks unfortunately.
It’s not all about obesity, however obviously they mostly have water and fruit juice, just when they get a treat at a party for example.
However I am also a fat b# but don’t drink fizzy often
It’s not all about obesity, however obviously they mostly have water and fruit juice, just when they get a treat at a party for example.
However I am also a fat b# but don’t drink fizzy often
The USA system would be a disastrous way of solving the problem, obesity is skewed more towards poorer communities - in the USA far fewer poorer people have any kind of health insurance or support, so you'd essentially end up with lots of very sick people at the lower end of society, who can't get/afford any kind of help. US heath care is very good if you can afford it, or you have good health insurance through your employment (which is most employed people) - however, lack either of those and you could be in a lot of trouble if you get sick.
For me, everyone knows it's about personal responsibility - but can anyone name me a time where preaching personal responsibility has changed peoples behaviour at all? Telling people to stop smoking didn't help, neither did taxation, seatbelts, speeding, drink-driving, everybody knows these things are bad, but it took laws and legislation to have an effect,
Right now the figure is roughly 64% of adults are overweight or obese (the majority) if it's about personal responsibility - then the majority of people aren't responsible? I think it's a hard argument to win.
It's even harder to win - when you consider the fact that 60-70% of the all the food in the supermarket it bad for you, when you stop at a petrol station - and you're herded through a maze of sweets and crisps before you get to the checkouts, it's the same in half the shops you go in.
When most of this food is designed on purpose to taste as pleasurable as possible - where anything good for you (fibre, essential nutrients etc) is processed out of it, so it lasts longer on the shelves, or is cheaper to make (trans fats or mono diglycerides in in low fat spreads, and cheap pastries)
I think we need legislation to force the food industry to change the products it manufactures, producing endlessly increasing amounts of unhealthy food - that serves no purpose whatsoever other than to generate pleasure, is going to lead to exactly the sorts of problems that we're seeing.
People say "I don't want the government controlling what I do" but it's the government and the state you end up crawling to for support when you end up with serious health problems.
For me, everyone knows it's about personal responsibility - but can anyone name me a time where preaching personal responsibility has changed peoples behaviour at all? Telling people to stop smoking didn't help, neither did taxation, seatbelts, speeding, drink-driving, everybody knows these things are bad, but it took laws and legislation to have an effect,
Right now the figure is roughly 64% of adults are overweight or obese (the majority) if it's about personal responsibility - then the majority of people aren't responsible? I think it's a hard argument to win.
It's even harder to win - when you consider the fact that 60-70% of the all the food in the supermarket it bad for you, when you stop at a petrol station - and you're herded through a maze of sweets and crisps before you get to the checkouts, it's the same in half the shops you go in.
When most of this food is designed on purpose to taste as pleasurable as possible - where anything good for you (fibre, essential nutrients etc) is processed out of it, so it lasts longer on the shelves, or is cheaper to make (trans fats or mono diglycerides in in low fat spreads, and cheap pastries)
I think we need legislation to force the food industry to change the products it manufactures, producing endlessly increasing amounts of unhealthy food - that serves no purpose whatsoever other than to generate pleasure, is going to lead to exactly the sorts of problems that we're seeing.
People say "I don't want the government controlling what I do" but it's the government and the state you end up crawling to for support when you end up with serious health problems.
But what rights do governments have to tell companies what to do?
Especially are ******** of a government, all they can come up with is tax tax tax tax.
It’s becoming a joke with all these taxes
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Such ignorance. Even in the USA that doesn't happen.
Mind you I'd certainly pay to have the 65% 5 year cancer survival rate that other countries have compared to the dismal 50% of the UK.
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In my view every right - where companies exploit consumers and the marketplace, in order to generate huge wads of cash, producing essentially useless junk products that cause far more harm than good, dealing with that behaviour seems to me, to be one of the core principles of a good government.
As was the case with cigarette companies, producing products that are engineered on purpose to addict the user, where 50% of those users will be killed by the product, it’s in the public interest to write legislation that seeks to restrict them, because it’s a form of commercial exploitation.
But I agree with your comments on the government, we currently have in office the biggest bunch of talentless vermin that I’ve ever seen in the UK, so I don’t hold much hope for any useful ideas to come from them, other than add taxation to the problem. It might generate a bit of cash, but so nothing to solve the root cause.
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It does appear to be a money grab covered in a thin cloak of virtue. But given the industry response, I'd be surprised if the sugar tax raises even a tenth of the original projection of £500m (and will likely fall further when the bottle/can levy is introduced). I fully expect the government to 'revise' the scope of the tax to cover more products, in an attempt to increase the revenue generated. And in 5 years or so when it becomes clear the tax hasn't had any significant effect on obesity rates (which is very likely as that has been the case in other countries that have tried it) the tax will increased and expanded, rather than abolished.
I do find it darkly amusing that a Conservative government has made it so that in the near future if someone buys a small bottle of Coke they will be paying no less than three different taxes on it.antijoke said:
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Subservient Brits. Location Sweden. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So what do the non-workingclass have instead?
Brexit increased Pepsi Max prices by 29%? Not in my experience, are you sure about that?!
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Wouldn't worry you'll likely be dead in a year or 2 if you live off energy drinks
Diabetes anyone ?
What metabolic diet is affected by apart?
Hang on if industry response is to reduce sugar then the tax has worked perfectly has it not?
Pepsi MAX was £1 a 2L bottle forever at my local shops, ASDA, Farmfoods and Iceland. Not sure about Tesco, I've bought them for £1 from there before but not sure if those were special offer at the time, I rarely use Tesco. 100% I was paying £1 per bottle between 2010 and 2016 at ASDA. Then Brexit happened and price went to £1.29, 29% increase. Farmfoods and Lidl both price at £1.29 too. From early 2017 - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5625719#topofpage
Why is this funny?
They are mostly subservient idiots too.
I should have moved to France, those guys know how to moan.
Yes that is what should happen if you want people to have a motivation to not be fat.
But, the motive here is to SUSTAIN fat people and establish fatties as a perfectly normal and healthy part of society, in order to tax all society even non fatties. If there weren't any fat people there wouldn't be a tax anymore would there?
The way things are now fatties are probably laughing their arses off that everyone else has to pay for their sustenance.
The government has all the rights. The comoanc operaatws under permission from the state, and has to follow all laws and regulations set out by the state.
Otherwise, what is stopping a company simply putting a poison in food and killing millions of people? If companies could do what they want it would be disaster.