It makes no difference to me what people buy, it's just interesting that people feel Nvidia have no competition when thats not the case.
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It makes no difference to me what people buy, it's just interesting that people feel Nvidia have no competition when thats not the case.
Do AMD even have a card that competes with the 1070?
Seems to go 580 > VEGA 56
580 being less powerful, VEGA being a lot more expensive.
With the Vega 56 not being that much infront to justify the expense.
Infact a 1080 is cheaper and more powerful than a 56. Why would anyone buy AMD right now? Or I missing something.
Wait a second the 64 is beaten by the 1080 which is much cheaper! What is going on here!
Seems to go 580 > VEGA 56
580 being less powerful, VEGA being a lot more expensive.
With the Vega 56 not being that much infront to justify the expense.
Infact a 1080 is cheaper and more powerful than a 56. Why would anyone buy AMD right now? Or I missing something.
Wait a second the 64 is beaten by the 1080 which is much cheaper! What is going on here!
Seems quite a derogatory post to me mate, perhaps I’m reading it wrong.
Do you think you have a bias towards a particular brand, perhaps even a little confirmation bias?
I have a bias to who offers the best technology and it's clear Nvidia are holding back and have been for some time. As time goes on my expectations from this next generation of Nvidia cards increases.
If by bias you are taking into account my response to Rroff, then it's know he's part of the resident Nvidia focus group. I do have a bias against those types of guys posting on enthusiast forums as we end up in the situation we have now.
Anyway, your GTX 1100Ti is probably 9 months away. I think you will see a lot more than 25% gains in three years. I'd raise your expectation of a £700 graphics card.
Unfortunately, whilst I’m definitely living in hope, I don’t see it. I’d be able to live with 25-30%. I’d love 50%.
I’m happy to agree that I don’t think Nvidia is pushing the envelope as hard as they can, but without real competition they don’t need to. In my opinion they are offering the best technology, even if they could do better.
As I’ve said, and I think you agree, there’s nothing that competes at the very top end of NVidias line up. And when there’s no competition a company has free reign to price high (I’m not saying it’s morally right, but they are a business).
I prefer AMDs approach to open source, but I buy what offers the best performance at my budget, and that’s currently Nvidia. If when it comes to 1180ti time AMD have a better proposition, I’ll gladly buy their offering instead.
I know you’re knocking Rroff, but from where I’m standing, you’re doing the same thing as him, but for team Red. Sorry
Unfortunately, whilst I’m definitely living in hope, I don’t see it. I’d be able to live with 25-30%. I’d love 50%.
I’m happy to agree that I don’t think Nvidia is pushing the envelope as hard as they can, but without real competition they don’t need to. In my opinion they are offering the best technology, even if they could do better.
As I’ve said, and I think you agree, there’s nothing that competes at the very top end of NVidias line up. And when there’s no competition a company has free reign to price high (I’m not saying it’s morally right, but they are a business).
I prefer AMDs approach to open source, but I buy what offers the best performance at my budget, and that’s currently Nvidia. If when it comes to 1180ti time AMD have a better proposition, I’ll gladly buy their offering instead.
I know you’re knocking Rroff, but from where I’m standing, you’re doing the same thing as him, but for team Red. Sorry
Well it's not in the uber high end where the level of competition counts so much it's the middle ground. Nvidia have a great DX11 design but it's a dated design and long overdue a big update to catch up with AMD and stop holding back DX12 and Vulcan development.
If you think I'm the opposite of the focus group then at least I'll take that as a complement
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Plus it landed more than a year after Nvidia's 1070 & 1080 competiitors, & the Vega cards are only £350 to £500 cards not 1080ti or above priced cards.
There's a big gap especially with AMD having nothing to replace Vega with for at least another year.
The only way to catch up is if Nvidia start resting on their laurels which they already are to some extent.
I think Nvidia have rested long enough and it's now time to drop the DX11 design. Also AMD seem to have started sampling 7nm and production options at TSMC and GloFlo for GPU's. We could see those by the end of the year as Navi was always planned as quick follow up to Vega.
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Inevitably yes but it's still working for them and keeping them on top, so for now they've no reason to move on, Add to that how they've gone about bribing and bullying the board partners in respects to the naming schemes and they must feel pretty confident about how things are going, With AMD I think they're lacking the required skills to get Navi out anytime soon, after all it was Raj Koduri's baby and he was fired for almost ruining RTG with how he mismanaged & mishandled everything Vega. It's going to take them a while to recover from that.
Not sure as I've not looked into what's happening within AMD but I wasn't aware AMD fired someone. I think AMD's main focus over the last few years will have been Ryzen so maybe the Radeon guys felt they didn't have enough of a budget to work with and left?
If I've learn't anything over the years though, it's to never write AMD off especially now when they have such a strong foot hold in the CPU market.
Laughable... you can't use the price as a basis for writing nVidia off there and in the same breath in any form claim AMD are competitive as things are right now.
Last I heard they were sampling 7nm towards the end of the year with a limited run for industrial products and probably spring next year for a consumer GPU roll out.
They haven't exactly pushed things forward at pace in terms of consumer GPU releases - but they've not been resting on their laurels in terms of architectures, etc.
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Resting or not they still have more powerful equipment currently on sale, and as you’ve said, they have done for some time.
I’m afraid I don’t see how potential products we know little about affect the current gap?
Well it's not in the uber high end where the level of competition counts so much it's the middle ground. Nvidia have a great DX11 design but it's a dated design and long overdue a big update to catch up with AMD and stop holding back DX12 and Vulcan development.
If you think I'm the opposite of the focus group then at least I'll take that as a complement
There’s a gap because AMD simply don’t have a full lineup that stacks against Nvidia on all fronts. I’m not sure what “Uber high” end means? Titan V?
I don’t understand the last line of the quote either, I never said you weren’t a focus group and that anyone else was. I implied you were behaving in the same manner, just with a different bias... I don’t even know why you’re using ‘focus group’ if I’m being honest, it comes across a little silly.
I couldn’t agree more. CPU earnings and mining demand have put them in much better position, and I really hope that they finally come back with a competitive range that actually competes with NVIDIA on all fronts.
Unless your unaware graphics cards prices are meaningless right now. Obviously Vega has seen a horrible price hike as it's the best card for mining by a long way. If Nvidia had the best card for mining those would be the most overinflated.
It's you that wriggling as if you look at both product stacks AMD compete as I pointed out per first post.
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I have literally no faith in AMD. They might release something relevant.. in 2 years.
Our best bet is NVIDIA to push forward this next gen of graphics cards. If they holding back tech, so be it. They're still offering the best value cards on the market sadly.
Our best bet is NVIDIA to push forward this next gen of graphics cards. If they holding back tech, so be it. They're still offering the best value cards on the market sadly.
I'm not sure what gap you think Nvidia have opened but I'd say over £500 is uber high end. Are you really unaware Nvidia use a Focus Group for promoting the firm on sites like this? Yeah that is a thing.
So AMD have nothing to offer against Nvidia in terms of price/performance and you dont think there is a gap?
AMD have plenty. look at the product stack like a said.
RX570>GTX 1060 3gb
RX580>GTX1060 6gb
Vega 56>GTX 1070/Ti
Vega 64(VERSIONS)-GTX1080(VERSIONS)
Meaningless in that it is what people have to pay if they want to buy right now... RRP, etc. is meaningless when prices haven't been remotely close to it in ages and don't look like being close to it any time soon.
Sticking to OcUK - cheapest Vega 64 is £650 when a 1080 can be had for £500 by your own metric that is laughable so we'll have to ignore that, than we come to the Vega 56 - £570 when the cheapest competing nVidia card can be had for £428... so moving onto the RX580 - still more expensive than the nVidia alternative but ti does do a little better in newer games to be fair - so we have to go back to pretty much 2 generations back performance before the story evens up... in what world is that competitive? this is a long way from 1080ti territory which apparently was the "only" story.