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GPU prices go boom

I hadnt realised things had got so bad

I bought an ASUS GTX 1070 dual OC in march 17 for the princely sum of 339 pounds

I could probably sell it second hand and only loose about 30 quid on it for a years use
 
The USD launch price for the GTX970 was $329. The GTX1070 was between $379 and $449,with the $449 FE being the one that was generally easier to get in quantity(IIRC) immediately after launch.

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OcUK,pricing started at £365 for a single GTX1070 model at launch with a blower cooler and £390 for one with an aftermarket cooler,then followed by the FE starting at £400:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/nvidia-gtx-1070-wanna-pre-order.18734903/

The exchange rate was around $1.43 to a pound:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2016-06-10

IIRC,the FE models tended to have larger quantities available though.

OcUK were offering aftermarket GTX970 cards for as low as £260 within a month of launch:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...x-970-4gb-zotac-geforce-gtx-980-4gb.18630567/

The exchange rate was $1.61 to the pound:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2014-10-17

So the pound was 12.6% stronger in 2014.
Thank you, Cat.

Basically if you take the aftermarket 970 at £260, then *1.61/1.43, you end up with £293 (ish).

That's £100 less than the £390 aftermarket 1070, and illustrates very nicely that Brexit (and exchange rates) aren't the difference between 970 prices and 1070 prices.

Talking of inflation is also rubbish. You can't account for a £100 price rise (after exchange rate normalisation) by inflation, over the course of 3 years. That would be some pretty shocking inflation right there.

e: And as others have said, in recent times that same 1070 was £500+.
 
Thank you, Cat.

Basically if you take the aftermarket 970 at £260, then *1.61/1.43, you end up with £293 (ish).

That's £100 less than the £390 aftermarket 1070, and illustrates very nicely that Brexit (and exchange rates) aren't the difference between 970 prices and 1070 prices.

Talking of inflation is also rubbish. You can't account for a £100 price rise (after exchange rate normalisation) by inflation, over the course of 3 years. That would be some pretty shocking inflation right there.

e: And as others have said, in recent times that same 1070 was £500+.

Inflation and deflation is simply the idea that prices can go up and down over time due to a variety of factors. Average inflation for this country is reported in the Consumer Prices Index which averages a range of consumer products in to a single figure. Petrol price for example is included in the CPI and its price is affected by both exchange rate and supply and demand issues. GPU price changes have been affected by both exchange rate aswell as supply and demand issues (not just of the cards themselves but also the components that make them).

Refusing to accept that price changes are indeed inflation is, well, I don't even have any words that adequately explain how naive it is.

In 2010 the price of petrol sunk to near 80p per litre, by 2013 it was 140p per litre, which is an increase of 75% in 3 years. Yes it does happen, by comparison an increase on another product of 20-25% is not that extraordinary.
 
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everyone knows thats there are various factors that have increased prices its been going round in circles for ages, the select few are just to stupid for it to sink into their heads.

inflation, exchange rates. ram shortages, production shortages, some retailers inflating the prices, there are many reasons.
 
Inflation and deflation is simply the idea that prices can go up and down over time due to a variety of factors. Average inflation for this country is reported in the Consumer Prices Index which averages a range of consumer products in to a single figure. Petrol price for example is included in the CPI and its price is affected by both exchange rate and supply and demand issues. GPU price changes have been affected by both exchange rate aswell as supply and demand issues (not just of the cards themselves but also the components that make them).

Refusing to accept that price changes are indeed inflation is, well, I don't even have any words that adequately explain how naive it is.

In 2010 the price of petrol sunk to near 80p per litre, by 2013 it was 140p per litre, which is an increase of 75% in 3 years. Yes it does happen, by comparison an increase on another product of 20-25% is not that extraordinary.
So... let me get this straight... you're saying that any increase in price can be called "inflation"... no matter how dis-similar it is to the statistical "UK inflation rate" figure.

Ie if a product increases in price by 25-75% (as per the examples you chose), you are happy to call that "inflation", despite the fact that the UK inflation rate has been <3% for a long time now...

It seems like a bizarro viewpoint from where I'm sitting.

e: How do you reconcile products that fall in price by 25-75% then? Deflation? You're happy to say that prices fell due to "deflation" despite the fact that the UK inflation rate is ~3%?

It makes no sense.
 
Why would products designed in the US and manufactured in Taiwan only ever be affected by the UK average inflation rate?

Basic economics my friend, you obviously have no understanding of.

UK average inflation is a product of an average over a long period of time as well as on a yearly basis by a "basket" of goods which is again averaged.

You are taking a 10 or 20 year average of over 700 goods and services and comparing it to a single product type over a specific short term. Thats the bit that makes no sense.

As I've already shown, you can take any single product that makes up CPI and it itself won't follow the "rules" you seem to think CPI suggests.

No business in the world looks at CPI and says "well our cost to sell that product has gone up by 20% in country X, but their CPI is only 3% so we have to sell at a loss". Inflation doesnt work like that. UK CPI is an average of many products, product prices changing affects CPI but CPI does not affect product prices - exchange rate and supply/demand does, CPI has absolutely no effect on product prices.

I'm happy to say I have a basic understanding of market economics. And yes, prices falling is also due to deflationary pressures, the same as prices going up is due to inflationary pressures. Not all products are affected by the same circumstances so you have both inflation and deflation affecting disparate products - it then gets averaged in to UK CPI, but UK CPI is one very specific measurement, it isn't the be all and end all of "inflation".

There are times where UK CPI has been 30%, or -5%, but it doesn't mean ALL products followed that same pattern.
 
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The dictator of retail prices has always been a combination of supply and demand and operational costs of the retailer. If a business needs to stay in business they have to sell at a profit, then how much profit they can make is decided on the supply and demand, so yeah andybird is right.
 
So... let me get this straight... you're saying that any increase in price can be called "inflation"... no matter how dis-similar it is to the statistical "UK inflation rate" figure.

Pretty much the case. You could create a new inflation rate based on the price of graphics cards. Not that it would be of much use to anyone.

e: How do you reconcile products that fall in price by 25-75% then? Deflation? You're happy to say that prices fell due to "deflation" despite the fact that the UK inflation rate is ~3%?

I think the point being made is that the price drop can be called deflation, not that it fell due to deflation.

It would be more apt to say that prices have inflated or deflated though. Inflation/deflation is more of a measure of a range of goods and services rather than just one specific product.

The UK CPI rate would not affect the price that the graphics card cost to make. That would be affected by the inflation rate of the country that they are being made in. But the UK inflation rate could affect the price that retailers sell for. Due to the measures being included in the rate which could increase the running costs of the business which is then passed on.

It is not as if businesses think inflation is 3% that means we have to put our prices up by that much every year. It is more that factors included in the inflation rate cause them to increase there prices.
 
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Whilst prices are still higher than I would like this late in the generations life, at lest lest you can buy a full sized card now for RRP or slightly below. Not idea but better than a month or so ago
 
Why would products designed in the US and manufactured in Taiwan only ever be affected by the UK average inflation rate?

Basic economics my friend, you obviously have no understanding of.

UK average inflation is a product of an average over a long period of time as well as on a yearly basis by a "basket" of goods which is again averaged.

You are taking a 10 or 20 year average of over 700 goods and services and comparing it to a single product type over a specific short term. Thats the bit that makes no sense.

As I've already shown, you can take any single product that makes up CPI and it itself won't follow the "rules" you seem to think CPI suggests.

No business in the world looks at CPI and says "well our cost to sell that product has gone up by 20% in country X, but their CPI is only 3% so we have to sell at a loss". Inflation doesnt work like that. UK CPI is an average of many products, product prices changing affects CPI but CPI does not affect product prices - exchange rate and supply/demand does, CPI has absolutely no effect on product prices.

I'm happy to say I have a basic understanding of market economics. And yes, prices falling is also due to deflationary pressures, the same as prices going up is due to inflationary pressures. Not all products are affected by the same circumstances so you have both inflation and deflation affecting disparate products - it then gets averaged in to UK CPI, but UK CPI is one very specific measurement, it isn't the be all and end all of "inflation".

There are times where UK CPI has been 30%, or -5%, but it doesn't mean ALL products followed that same pattern.
The whole point was that you can't look at a product that's increased by 100%, and a product that's increased by 3%, and just say "Prices of both products rose by an expected amount predicted by the average rate of inflation."

You also can't say that all price rises are due to inflationary pressures, either.

As we well know, companies can choose to increase prices purely because they think the market will bear the new prices, and thus they are able to generate more profit, whilst their costs might remain the same over that period.

In that case you can't simply look at the price rise and say, "Ah yes, that's due to inflation, or inflationary pressure."

Because if you do say that, you turn "inflation" into a catch-all (meaningless) term for any price rise. Which I do not believe is what most people are thinking of when they refer to inflation.

P.S. If you look at some of my earlier posts in this thread, I said (e.g.) "GPU prices are inflated to all hell and back". Which obviously meant inflation above and beyond the average rate of inflation. In other words, above and beyond the rate of increase that we all generally accept happens year on year for most products. Something that we begrudgingly accept as a fact of life.

When people say, "Prices are different to ten years ago due to inflation", they are generally referring to this concept that everything becomes slightly more expensive year on year.

When prices jump 50% - 100% in a short period of time (weeks or months let's say), people generally don't say, "Prices are more expensive now [than three months ago] because of inflation." Normally when you get such drastic and sudden increases the term "inflation" isn't used, but rather people look to specific factors driving the price increases.

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Because thats not how inflation works. If petrol jumps 75% in a few months it has a knock on effect on every business that relies on petrol, prices of many goods and services also increase and the measured UK CPI for that month does indeed record a higher figure than the months preceeding it.

No one product is "affected by inflation" in the way you seem to be claiming. What you think "people generally say" is irrelevant, the ONS exactly do say on a month by month basis what UK CPI is. Over 10 years it averages 3% but on a month by month basis as reported by the ONS it goes up and down and all sorts, individual products absolutely do not conform to a 3% 10 year average. Exchange rate is an inflationary pressure, supply and demand is an inflationary pressure, cost of materials in other countries is an inflationary pressure. How much each one affects a single product is not linear.

I dont think you can honestly look at GPU's and claim their production costs have remained the same over the last 10 years.

I had a quick look at doing an xx70 comparison over the last 10 years, but there is no equivalent - the product stack 10 years ago was basically a single chip for the top 6 cards with a die shrink thrown in to really confuse things. There were 6 8800 cards and the 8600 was a 169mm2 chip. I shouldn't really have to explain the benefits of having a salvaged core system in place. If you wanted to use the cheapest 8800 card, even that was $300, with the 1070 released at $379 I think its hard to argue that GPU's have really run away from inflation, other than short term effects which can happen with any product.

If the next xx70 card is released at $500 then you might have a point, but we will need to see more about the card to see what its relative merits are. Even then going from $300 to $500 over 12 years is still only about 4% per year, yes its higher than UK CPI inflation, but not rediculously so.

You can't say "10 years ago an apple cost 10p, now avacados are £1, its inflation gone MAD" when you aren't even comparing like for like products.
The exchange rate 10 years ago was over $1.90 to the £, over the last 2 years its been as low as $1.22. How can anyone not expect that to have an effect on prices of imported goods? It should be very obvious that imported goods are more likely to be affected by exchange rate than domestic goods, any inflation index that is comprised of an average of goods isn't going to reflect exchange rate changes to the same extent as looking at a single imported good, again, that isn't how UK CPI works, it just isn't. Ignoring that doesn't change it any more than me trying to ignore mavity doesn't suddenly mean I wake up in the morning and float off to the ceiling.
 
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If only FoxEye put as much effort into obtaining a £50k salaried job as he does to whining and whinging about GPUs he has no intention of purchasing, he might actually be able to buy something...

:p

I think FoxEye is just saying graphic card's are over priced and you need a £50k job to afford one.
 
crisis was a good looking game on full bubble... however I am not sure what you are championing here.... imo crysis was appalling really, because on low detail it still ran poorly (i had a 7800gtx at the time) and on low it looked worse and still ran WAY worse than other games of its era.

I disagree. In my experience you didn't need to run it on low; let's say a smattering of settings equating as roughly medium and IMO it still looked very good for a 2007 game. I found it to be better optimised than many games because it was responsive to adjusting settings - the problem was that people weren't looking at the actual in game graphics but because fixated on whatever it was labelled as in the menu. If Crytek had removed all settings above medium and renamed medium to "SUPER-DOOPER-ULTRA-HIGH-XXX" setting I'm sure it would have been better received by some.
 
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