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I said belief without evidence is moronic

But you, like me and many others, believe alien life has to exist somewhere out there and there's no evidence to back up our belief. So if you apply your own logic to that situation, we are all morons.
 
How is saying morons will always exist is the same as everyone who believes in religion is a moron? Just sod off I'm sick of talking to you. I've stuck you on ignore.
This was the passage of posts where you said they were morons, so you are just ignorant then?

Religion used to be ubiquitous among people. But atheism is on the rise. Why put your faith into something for which there is no evidence? Foolish, no? Trust me, when society grows up and gets properly educated, religion will be gone.
^ don't think so.
Well maybe you are right. Morons will always exist.
 
But you, like me and many others, believe alien life has to exist somewhere out there and there's no evidence to back up our belief. So if you apply your own logic to that situation, we are all morons.

We have evidence of an abundance of life on this planet, it's evidence to postulate that in a universe with billions of galaxies consisting of trillions of planets that more planets will contain life

There is however no evidence to support the existence of a mystical cloud pixie where the belief of such is purely based on nothing but faith

It's the difference between an educated guess vs just winging it
 
i beleive statistically that alien life has existed in some form at some point and quite likely to have acheived a machine age civilisation.

however, wether or not there are aliens around right now, and wether or not we as a species will ever meet them before our own destruction is a different story.

the problem with how ridiculously huge the universe is is that without certainty (ie direct observation) there's no real way of proving anything, god could be real, star wars really could have happened, and there may be a species out there that actually likes jazz.

i remember seeing a documentary that mentioned an equation that basically stated that we could predict the exact odds of humanity encountering alien life, but the one missing variable- the half life of a machine age civilisation, can't be found out until we either meet aliens, or we die out, which renders the whole thing pointless.
 
All the observable universe has been examined, if anything stood out as being the result of life as we can imagine it then it would have been noticed.

Not sure if serious or troll.

Do you actually know how big the universe is? Pmsl. :D

Lightened my night up that's for sure.
 
But you, like me and many others, believe alien life has to exist somewhere out there and there's no evidence to back up our belief. So if you apply your own logic to that situation, we are all morons.
but given the calculations and number of stars/planets etc it's extremely probable that life exists in many other places, so that's far more reasonable to "believe" than any god/goddess, for which there is no evidence/probability of any kind.
 
Perhaps he thinks you point a telescope at a cinderella planet and you see all the lights on like Earth.
Or just call them, it worked for ET didn't it!

Seriously though I'm certain there has to be other life out there, the difficulty though is the distances involved in actually finding life...as we know it, there could be loads out there just not anything like life on Mars Earth that we know how to look for, for example the habitable zone that Earth is in might not be classed as that for life on another planet. Ironically I've just seen a documentary on Discovery Channel about space exploration and there are loads of unknown things, such as how planets can exist so close to their star, what makes certain planets go the other "wrong as we see it" way around their star that physicists on Earth don't understand.
 
Alright Cheech put the bong down and have a nice nap. Here is an equally pressing question for you....why do you think ET's requires an apostrophe?
 
We have evidence of an abundance of life on this planet, it's evidence to postulate that in a universe with billions of galaxies consisting of trillions of planets that more planets will contain life

There is however no evidence to support the existence of a mystical cloud pixie where the belief of such is purely based on nothing but faith

It's the difference between an educated guess vs just winging it

unless the two are one and the same? I mean an advance alien race could feed 5,000 people from a single loaf of bread.....if they had the technology to replicate it. Plus I'm betting if they can travel through space to other planets, they can probably walk on water.
 
I think they're certainly out there, but I don't think they've ever visited. The way I see it: if they're technologically advanced enough to make it to earth in the first place, then we must be like ants to them. Why even bother? [..]

Curiosity would work as a general answer to that question. People who developed such advanced technology would probably be very curious, since they would have had to develop a very detailed understanding of how many aspects of the universe work.

Scarcity of life would work as another answer. If life is extremely rare, any life would be worthy of study. If life isn't all that rare but complex life is, then any complex life would be especially worthy of study. The formation of the now common cell with a nucleus, membrane, mitochondria, etc is a good example. Eukarocyte? (looking it up - I was close, it's eukaryote). As far as we know, it happened once on Earth. Once. In billions of years with excellent conditions for life. A biologist with any kind of interest in that aspect of biology would be over the moon to have an opportunity to study lifeforms from another world, another instance of eukaryotes forming. If complex life isn't rare but intelligent life is, same thing. The technology of these hypothetical people would be far in advance of ours, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are far more intelligent than us. We're no more intelligent than humans of 20,000 years ago, but our technology is so far in advance of theirs that we would be godlike to them. Even just 200 years, let alone 20,000 years, has brought a huge advancement in technology and knowledge.

Even if we were like ants to them, some of them would want to study us. But we're not like ants to them - they could detect that we have a degree of intelligence, that we have invented writing and art and a rapidly increasing level of technology and understanding of the ways that the universe works. Even if they were greatly superior to us, we'd be complex enough to be interesting enough to study. Especially if it's not all that difficult for them to come here.

My own point of view is that we don't know enough to make more than a pretty vague stab in the dark about how likely it is that other people are out there, whatever their level of intelligence and technology. Anyone who claims certainty is working on belief, not knowledge. I prefer to avoid belief and acknowledge that I don't know when I don't know. All we know that's relevant is that the universe is very big and that the chance of people existing is not zero. Maybe the chance is pretty high and there are thousands of species of people in this galaxy alone. Maybe the chance is so mind-bogglingly low that it's only happened once so far. Maybe it's happened a few times but all the other people are extinct now. So I'd be willing to bet some money on people existing somewhere else at this time, but I don't know it for certain and I don't do belief.

Given the sheer, unimaginable scale of the universe it would be rather arrogant to assume that the Earth is the only place that life managed to gain a foothold and flourish. [..]

I keep seeing that argument put forward as fact. I've never seen any evidence or reasoning put forward to support it. Why is it arrogant to assume that the Earth is the only place that life managed to come into existence, gain a foothold and flourish? Very specifically arrogant. Not an assumption. Not a belief. Not even an implausible belief. Where is the arrogance?
 
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Wow, so much unpleasantness in this thread :(

Seriously, everyone is entitled to believe in what they want.

Personally, I prefer to believe there is life out there somewhere far more than I believe in any god.

But that's just me :)
 
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