Boris and the burka

enkoda said:
What a bizarre train of thought, equally daft as saying "I'm not racist, I just don't like Scientology".

Are you implying that anyone who doesn't like the Islamic ideology is racist?
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No, just the ones I've met (in person), as I've already said.
 
I bet it is. Racism is derived from "race" not "religion". Nobody disliking Islam can be called a racist because it is a nonsense. So get the definition of racism sorted out first and your head might stop spinning.
 
Yadda said:
You realise there's a difference between how freely people speak in real life and what they type online, right?
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You realise that's irrelevant to the point, right?

You've assumed that people who are (in some way you don't define) unhappy about Islam or Islamic expansionism are also racist. You put that assumption above anything they say, so if they don't say anything racist you assume they're being dishonest. The medium they're using is irrelevant to that.
 
It’s such a cheap way of deflecting from debating the actual issue(s).

A: Something offensive about Muslims.
B: That’s racist.
A: Islam isn’t a race.
B & A: Tangent about the definition of race and racism…

It completely undermines any other discourse.
 
Angilion said:
You realise that's irrelevant to the point, right?

You've assumed that people who are (in some way you don't define) unhappy about Islam or Islamic expansionism are also racist. You put that assumption above anything they say, so if they don't say anything racist you assume they're being dishonest. The medium they're using is irrelevant to that.
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Nah, folk are a lot more guarded online. Otherwise they get banned.
 
The burka is offensive to a lot of people. Why? Because we are used to conversing with a face and not just eyes. It also can be a security problem, as pointed out in this thread.

The fact that it is only a small minority of women who wear the burka in this country goes to show that most muslim women dont like to wear one.

The ones that do are trying to make a point. Plus, many are probably forced to wear one. And, the majority of muslims dont understand the koran properly as they only see what they want to see as is evident by the fact that 'modesty' in dress means a complete covering of skin from head to toe!
 
koolpc said:
The burka is offensive to a lot of people. Why? Because we are used to conversing with a face and not just eyes.
[SNIP]
The fact that it is only a small minority of women who wear the burka in this country
[SNIP]
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Do "a lot of people" spend a lot of time "conversing" with the "small minority of women who are trying to make a point by bring forced to wear the burka in this country" then?

Do you make up this nonsense all by yourself or is it the result of some spiritual revelation?
 
Yadda said:
Nah, folk are a lot more guarded online. Otherwise they get banned.
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Sometimes, yes. Sometimes the opposite, depending on the circumstances offline. Sometimes neither.

But how is that relevant to people in general who you've decided have an irrational fear of Islam? It's not plausible that you have (a) known them all both online and offline and (b) that all of them are openly racist in your hearing offline and are dishonest about that online.

Take me, for example. I do fear Islam. I regard that fear as rational, obviously. But I doubt if you would. You've never met me offline (as far as I know) and I know you've never heard me say anything racist offline because I don't even believe in race. It's a silly idea that's simply not real.
 
The last time some mentally deranged lunatic succeeded in stirring up hatred towards a particular minority group it worked out well didn't it?

Now we have Agent Orange in the USA and Bonker Boris in the UK at it all over again.
 
So we are now going to label people mentally deranged lunatics for expressing their views or making jokes rather than label that particular minority unable to self reflect or take criticism. Very stupid.
 
stockhausen said:
The last time some mentally deranged lunatic succeeded in stirring up hatred towards a particular minority group it worked out well didn't it?

Now we have Agent Orange in the USA and Bonker Boris in the UK at it all over again.
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Surely the answer is simple... Don't do any hating.
 
The problem really is that the comment has come from a popular politician knowing very well it's going to hit the press and stir up opinions. I don't see the comment as being racist/anti-Islam etc necessarily if it came from someone else, but when you consider his position, his association to Brexit and the other idiot involved in Brexit then it does come across as possibly showing racism and trying to stir that up in others, IMO.
I say it's about time Boris disappeared from politics. For me his tactic of helping cause Brexit but then not really wanting to have much more to do with it (same as the other idiot) showed him as a BS talker anyway.
People can of course wear what they like. I personally find a slim lady wearing a Hijab (not a burka I know) quite sexy :D
 
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DarrenM343 said:
The problem really is that the comment has come from a popular politician knowing very well it's going to hit the press and stir up opinions. I don't see the comment as being racist/anti-Islam etc necessarily if it came from someone else, but when you consider his position, his association to Brexit and the other idiot involved in Brexit then it does come across as showing racism and trying to stir that up in others, IMO.
I say it's about time Boris disappears from politics. For me his tactic of helping cause Brexit but then not really wanting to have much more to do with it (same as the other idiot) shows him as a BS talker.
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You could apply that notion to absolutely anyone in the public spotlight though. Anyone with any sized pedestal, whether it be a tramp on TOWIE or the PM, we could criticise that they're using their platform to stir stuff up and therefore should not. The point being, if some average unknown Joe said the same thing down the pub, no one else would even know or even care and threads like this wouldnt exist. Where do you draw the line that freedom of speech isn't allowed?
 
RoboCod said:
You could apply that notion to absolutely anyone in the public spotlight though. Anyone with any sized pedestal, whether it be a tramp on TOWIE or the PM, we could criticise that they're using their platform to stir stuff up and therefore should not. The point being, if some average unknown Joe said the same thing down the pub, no one else would even know or even care and threads like this wouldnt exist. Where do you draw the line that freedom of speech isn't allowed?
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That's t'internet for you, so much hurt. Thirty years ago, it would have appeared in the paper, been discussed down the pub or not and probably forgotten.
 
RoboCod said:
You could apply that notion to absolutely anyone in the public spotlight though. Anyone with any sized pedestal, whether it be a tramp on TOWIE or the PM, we could criticise that they're using their platform to stir stuff up and therefore should not. The point being, if some average unknown Joe said the same thing down the pub, no one else would even know or even care and threads like this wouldnt exist. Where do you draw the line that freedom of speech isn't allowed?
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Agree, but surely people need to know when to have some self-restraint because of their audience?
If we found the comment funny (and I do, I'm not going to deny that), would we repeat it in a room surrounded by women wearing the burka? Freedom of speech says yes, knowing your audience says no :). I'm not sure Boris would either in that scenario. His audience is the entire country
When I first heard about it I thought "idiot, racist" initially. Then I thought a bit more and thought "freedom of speech, people are taking a jokey comment too serious just because of the religion aspect", but then ended up thinking he's a politician who should know better.
I dunno :). he is a berk though :D.
We know that somewhere in the country recently some idiots have called women wearing a burka a post box. And it may not be the words that affect the women but the attitude of those saying it, ie, a group of men/kids etc
 
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Multiple countries have now banned it, Boris called in a silly name, professional moaners go mad.

Let's follow our European brothers in one last law before we leave and ban it.

Said moaners heads will expload, ban Burka Vs following beloved EU
 
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