Boris and the burka

Nasher said:
I wonder how Jews fare walking around Islamic countries in their traditional dress.
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You don't have to goto an 'Islamic' country to find out.....

Can Jewish people walk the streets of Paris in peace?

That's the question Zvika Klein - a journalist at an Israeli news website - says he set out to answer. He borrowed the "10 hours in...." YouTube format, in which a hidden camera is used to show what it's like to walk a city's streets. It first appeared back in October, when hidden camera footage of a woman facing sexist abuse as she walked the streets of New York was watched almost 40 million times. It spawned a raft of of copycat videos.

Klein's version takes place in the French capital. In the film he dons a kippah - the traditional Jewish skullcap - in front of the Eiffel Tower, and wanders the streets of the city. He appears to face significant abuse as he walks around. Residents are seen staring and spitting at him, while others apparently shout "Jew" and "Viva Palestine". The footage was gathered over 10 hours at the beginning of February, says Klein, and edited down into a clip lasting just over 90 seconds. It's been watched more than 100,000 times in less than 24 hours, and the number is climbing fast. He told BBC Trending he flew to Paris to conduct the experiment for NRG, a news website based in Israel.

It's impossible for us to verify Klein's video, and like other "10 hours in..." videos there has been a large amount of editing - which critics say conveys a false impression. The clips featured appear to be shot in poorer and predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods. Could he be accused of deliberately seeking out negative comments? He doesn't see it that way. "If I was walking around with an Israeli flag, I understand it might create negative feelings. But I don't think [wearing a kippah] should generate that kind of thing."
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Mason- said:
First time I've seen that. Unbelievable that this is happening in a capital of a very developed western nation in 2015.

"The clips featured appear to be shot in poorer and predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods"

Why on earth should that be relevant?
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Relevant in so far that if you're looking for the reaction of aggressiveness, that the shortest possible route is through certain sections of society, especially since Israels founding. And these communities are ultimately abandoned by the French government at his point in time, so they're far more likely to be outwardly brutish.

But whatever, it's not incredibly relevant no.
 
StriderX said:
Relevant in so far that if you're looking for the reaction of aggressiveness, that the shortest possible route is through certain sections of society, especially since Israels founding. And these communities are ultimately abandoned by the French government at his point in time, so they're far more likely to be outwardly brutish.

But whatever, it's not incredibly relevant no.
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You aren't worried about killings and rapes developing in this case then?
 
StriderX said:
Man Can't wait for it to escalate to rape and killings next
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This was your response to 4 women reporting being called letterbox across the country in one week. You don't seem at all fussed about someone wearing a kippah in Paris being spat at though
 
dl8860 said:
This was your response to 4 women reporting being called letterbox across the country in one week. You don't seem at all fussed about someone wearing a kippah in Paris being spat at though
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I did raise fuss, these neighborhoods are dangerous for just about anyone regardless of who they are, extra descriptors is just going to make the abuse more specific. Especially for Jewish people in Muslim areas, I certainly can't help that they have derogatory attitudes towards them, much like 30% of the British public do, Jewish people in France certainly don't deserve the aggression and heat they get from Muslims, but neither do the the Muslims deserve their fate in the Banneliues...

Do we wish to become like France? I feel it's probably too late to sort it out in reality, we'll be stuck with constant fighting between Far-right white nationalists and Far-right Islamists for eternity at the rate of persecution we're experiencing.
 
There is nothing wrong with ridiculing stupid ideas. It is normal and religious people must expect to have their faith tested.

However, you have to ask why would a god care if a woman's face was exposed?

The burka is a more a modern phenomena and not part of original Islam. Christopher Hitchen's described it as cultural suicide. I am astonished any woman would protest a ban in the 21st century. There are no successful Muslim countries and it should be the immigrant that changes not the country.

Finally, it is the moderately religious who pave the way to the radicals. These religious individuals should take responsibility for their nonsense. I wonder if these individuals protesting about the ban on Burka's and the Muslim council of Britain where equally incensed and took to the streets to protest after each religion based terrorist atrocity e.g. those in Europe and the Manchester bombing of teenage Ariana Grande fans here in the North West.

If they didn't take to the streets, if they were not incensed and apologetic why should we care about their right to wear a black cloth bag in public.

We have freedom of speech and being offended is not an argument against ridiculing stupid ideas. Religion must never have protection from ridicule.

Before some religious folk post a defence lets recall here that in the not to distant past criticising the prevailing church/religion was punishable and had considerable risk or worse.
 
But the problem is you can't question it without them getting super triggered and threatening to kill people. Any other religion yes, but not Islam. That needs to change.
 
A strange one re: Jews is Iran, second largest Jewish population in the region and they're protected by the constitution. They're obviously not zionists though, at least not openly.
 
kedge said:
Would it not be best to put aside juvenility and pave the way to constructive criticism?
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In the general sense not at all.

Juvenile ridicule of authority and religion has long been a useful expression of opposition to such things in the UK.

Plenty of things in religions are worthy of ridicule.

For example the texts of Islam state that the religions prophet took a night time trip from the Arabian peninsula to Jerusalem on a winged horse.

This is the same religion that claims to be the final, perfect, unalterable word of the one and only God.

Ridicule is a perfectly justified reaction to such nonsence.

If Boris came out and said that he actually believed in Santa and flying reindeers we would not be arguing about
 
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