Sounds like they're a stop gap.
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Poll: Poll: Will you be buying a 2080Ti/2080/2070?
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Bang per buck has reduced by % not increased at all. It cost 57% more but only looking to be 35% more powerful than previous gen. So if it was at same price at £700 as per the RRP of the 1080ti on release then that should have given the same 35% increase. So for a 57% increase in price I would want to see a further 57% increase of FPS on top of the 35% performance expected for the same value to offer the same bang for buck that we have had the last two generations.
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Okay, so we get reduced bang per buck on current/old games but we get a load of new cores (Tensor and RT) for free then? Problem with some comparisons is that they're just not considering the new tech available with the 20 series.
Can't call ourselves enthusiasts if all we're going to do is look at the past and not embrace the fact that NV have made a bold move here and given us an initial inside into this exciting new tech.
Should NV have just put more Turning cores on them and not bothered with the Tensor or RT stuff ,just to give more FPS?
Can't call ourselves enthusiasts if all we're going to do is look at the past and not embrace the fact that NV have made a bold move here and given us an initial inside into this exciting new tech.
Should NV have just put more Turning cores on them and not bothered with the Tensor or RT stuff ,just to give more FPS?
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The early BFV footage does look fantastic with RT reflections, and the framerates are pretty good considering. NV have added hardware RT and bumped up the performance.
So not only will games ultimately run better than the current competition, they'll also look much better for games that support it (and I think quite a few will after seeing some more footage). It will be interesting to see how AMD responds since I doubt they've got an answer to both.
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Forgive me but you seem to be pulling a lot of things out of thin air and using it to advise people. This is not an accusation but a mere observation and since it involves other people's money I feel obliged to make a post.
- we don't know anything about the performance yet;
- we know nothing about its longevity other than that 7nm is slated for 2019 (and likely PCIe 4.0 at that). So a refresh appears inevitable.
In fact it is clear; watch the hot hardware Peterson video
Watched it yes...
You mean the part where he says ‘who knows what developers will do with it in future’ and the fact it’s just laying foundations on future multi GPU methods. Yeah crystal.
The basic part of right now it makes SLI better through bandwidth is clear, future developments through software access is not remotely clear at this point really, future hardware also not clear. It’s hugely unclear how it will benefit the experience but looks promising for the future.
I was just pointing out that the other poster was probably talking about savings not disposable income as your post seemed to suggest. There's a big difference
If someone has £300k in savings but no disposable income it might be that the person could afford lots of GPU's on the face of it but really could justify few or none, at least if they're any good with money and they probably are hence why they have £300k anyway. But they're going to be careful with how they spend that money, with zero extra disposable income. ANd of course someone with 300k a year disposable income wouldn't think twice.
I should have said available money.
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I like EVGA too, but for the look I'm going for in my system, the MSI 2080 TI Gaming X Trio was the one that best matched my aesthetic. That said, I've never actually had an EVGA part fail on me... yet. So I don't actually know how good or bad their customer support is. As far as hardware support from other manufacturers, I have to agree with you when it comes to MSI on the UK side. It's pretty useless. Which is why I tend to use Skype to contact MSI Support on the US side. MSI's USA support is pretty outstanding. Going above and beyond my expectations. Like Corsair used to be back in the day, before they got too big.
Sometimes there are logistical issues when dealing with support offices outside your region, but all in all, I've generally gotten far better support from US side support centers than any of the support centers I've dealt with in the UK. Corsair was good on that front though where they (US side) would fill out the necessary RMA paper work then transfer it to the relevant handling center for fulfilling RMA's for the UK (usually it was their branch in the Netherlands back then). Haven't had to use Corsair US support in a while though, so I don't know if that's still true. Logistically, MSI was more complicated due to the separation of offices and the way they did things (only being able to ship to US addresses with no real way of transferring information to relevant offices), so RMA's I still had to deal directly with UK, but for actual Tech Support and not RMA, I only ever contact the US side. They've proven to me to be by far one of the most competent and helpful support staff (at a technical level) I've ever dealt with. Such as when I had a random crash issue, (and I knew through troubleshooting that it had something to do with the motherboard) it was because of my interactions with MSI's tech staff that I was eventually able to isolate the issue to a controller conflict in my system configuration. Basically I had an Asus SATA controller PCIE card in my system. It turned out that that controller card used the exact same controller chip that MSI was using on their motherboard as the secondary SATA controller. Which was causing a conflict and system instability, which appeared random. But with MSI's US support, I was actually able to find it, because they had staff with actual technical knowledge. I can't fault them.
Asus... Has the most useless technical support I've ever seen from any company. I may like their products, but I avoid them as much as possible, because when something does go wrong, good luck getting any real support from them, ever. I don't care what Linus says. If he gets great service from them, then that makes him the only person on the planet to get good support from that company from where I stand. Such as you call tech support, and you don't actually talk to someone with any kind of real technical knowledge. Instead you describe your problem and they simply write a ticket and forward it to tech staff who are meant to get back in touch with you via email. I say meant to, because the few times that I have tried to follow that procedure, I've never once actually ever received a response email from any Asus tech support staff. Not once. And even if they did, the process takes so long, that I've always eventually figured out and fixed the issue myself anyway. So don't ever count on any on the fly troubleshooting support from Asus. The most useless tech support I've ever seen.
I have to agree with you on the prospects of the TI cards vs the other RTX as well. The reason for my preordering the card, isn't out of any fanboyism or anything like that. I've been rebuilding my system for well over a year now, and it was simply always part of the plan to wait for the next gen cards. Currently I'm still running an AMD R9 290X 4GB card. Just by that statement alone you can tell that I'm not an annual upgrader. My cards last me a long time. It was just time to upgrade. I chose the 2080Ti because even though yes it has RTX and DLSS etc, no big deal, the real clincher for me was that it's core specs are considerably better than the 1080Ti. Maybe not massively, but definitely considerably. And when the cheapest I can currently get a 1080Ti Gaming X Trio (the one I wanted) is about 930 pounds, then there just wasn't a big enough difference in price between current gen and preordering to quibble about it. So I preordered it with the knowledge that even if RTX and DLSS turn out to be a bust, the card I bought, at it's core still out specs the previous gen. Now if I was choosing between a 2080 (non Ti) and one of the cheaper 1080Ti's, then there's no doubt in my mind that I would go for the 1080Ti. The 2080 is technically faster, but I don't think it offers enough over a cheaper 1080Ti to justify it's price, and quite frankly, over the years, I think at it's core, the 1080Ti will have more legroom to last longer and stay relevant longer due to it's beefier core specs. Especially if RTX and DLSS prove to be a bust (although I don't necessarily think it will. Nvidia has proven in the past to be adept at forcing developers to use the technologies they want to push) But that's just my opinion. Only time will tell if that prediction proves true. Although I do think DLSS has far better prospects than RTX currently. If DLSS does take off, that could be a huge benefit to the 2080 over the 1080Ti.
As far as 7NM goes. I'd be careful on that one. Don't assume that 7nm will automatically equate to greatly improved performance. We've heard this kind of thing before and been burned for it. I would say if you've already bought a new card in the last 2-3 years, sure, you could easily wait another year to see how 7nm pans out. But if your on a 5+ year old card, I wouldn't be too hasty to assume 7nm will be some amazing generational leap. There's a lot of factors that play into performance. Node is one of them, but it's not even close to being the end all be all variable. So if you want to upgrade now, I don't see the harm in it.
I would agree with you in some situations. Not this one. 10 to 20 quid, sure, I'd be happy to pay that premium if the support was good enough. Not 110 quid. That is a ridiculous premium.
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Not sure I'd call it a bold move when they also whack up prices - seems like a pretty safe bet to me. Even if ray tracing and other RTX features don't take off, they haven't gambled in the slightest.
Nonsense, NV have told us nothing, have shown us enhanced, over the top video's. After 72 pages ordering is being done out of desperation and blind faith. Far to many ''cut and paste'' merchants trying to justify pre-orders.
Lol. Enhanced videos, nice one.
People are ordering because they want to, is it so hard to understand?
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I thnk they're taking a few risks. People just expecting a big jump in FPS when the focus this time may be more about bringing new tech that not everyone may appreciate for now. NV are probably sacrificng a few FPS to start introducing RTX. RTX will take years to perfect too, so introducing it now is a bit of a risk although it will probably be pretty decent. I'm sure NV know what they're doing though and the time is right. Then there's the cost of some of the cards.
If AMD brought out a more value for money card, faster than the 1080 Ti by a decent amount but without RTX, just tradititional techniques would many buy that instead if indeed games struggle with the RTX stuff enabled, as some expect?
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35% alone wouldn't be enough to convince me to upgrade, i have pre-ordered but I'm prepared to cancel based on actual benchhmarks - but several of the RTX / DLSS games are on my watch list, so if DLSS effectively means you can run the game with no AA but it looks like it has high levels of AA as a post processing effect, then thats where this 2x performance reference comes in, that will get me to buy.
Several devs have made reference to giving RTX fine grained control to choose what impact it has on FPS, i mean if you can just remove shadows from the cuda cores and have all the lighting and shadows raytraced, you could actually use that to increase fps, not have this fps hit that full raytraced reflections and all looks like it could be having.
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No problem. Just trying to provide helpful information based on research and hypothesis more or less. If we can claim 980 ti to 1080 ti is a 79% performance bump, and we can also claim the 980 ti has at least a 20% increase from the 980. That alone is at the least a 99% increase, right? From there we can stack on improved memory, GDDR5 to GDDR6, and also the games that will include DLSS.
As for my other comment I just personally think early 2020 is more likely from NVIDIA at the soonest. I of course could be wrong.
You have no idea at all. I pre-ordered for the sake of realtime Raytracing and whilst I would be happy with 20% over the 1080Ti, I couldn't care less if it is only 5%. I bought purely for RT but feel free to decide why we pre-ordered.
And far too many people who have some weird fascination with people who are spending their money as they want on their hobby. Weird.
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