Apple Event - Wednesday, September 12

They are the richest tech company because they charge a premium for devices.

I think the bigger issue is that other manufacturers aspiring to Apple's market share feel like they have to price their flagship phones similarly for fear that customers will view them as 'cheap'. As a consequence, competition at the high end of the market actually drives prices upwards, instead of downwards. For this reason, we should be happy companies like OnePlus, Xiaomi etc are producing often equivalent products as well as trying to come up with new ways of doing things.

Don't get me wrong - I think Apple make good phones (which is why I was so interested in the latest models), but when they do stuff like charge £150 for 192Gb flash ram that is currently in global freefall price-wise, it kind of makes you ask if you're just getting plain old ripped off. Reading through some of the comments in this thread, the same thing comes up time and again.
 
I am happy that Apple offers the XR, there are people like me who either simply can’t afford to get the £1000 XS or simply refused to for many reasons. This allows me to stay in the eco-system with the latest core tech inside the phone to run the phone well for many years to come. Because although my iPhone 6 works just fine, and even with a year old battery, it is getting long in the tooth, things like simply refreshing Facebook page takes a while to render, everything pauses a little and the bottleneck isn’t my connection but the CPU.

So although £750 isn’t a cheap phone, it’s 25% less than otherwise I would have to pony up, I like it that they have given up the option, with the A12 chip inside.
 
I am happy that Apple offers the XR, there are people like me who either simply can’t afford to get the £1000 XS or simply refused to for many reasons. This allows me to stay in the eco-system with the latest core tech inside the phone to run the phone well for many years to come. Because although my iPhone 6 works just fine, and even with a year old battery, it is getting long in the tooth, things like simply refreshing Facebook page takes a while to render, everything pauses a little and the bottleneck isn’t my connection but the CPU.

So although £750 isn’t a cheap phone, it’s 25% less than otherwise I would have to pony up, I like it that they have given up the option, with the A12 chip inside.

Have you jumped on the iOS 12 GM? I installed last night and my 6S is noticeably more responsive in general usage...

EDIT: In fact, given I'll probably get an Xr which I can't pre-order until October, I'll get a month of usage with iOS 12 on my 6S, so I can have a few weeks to decide if I'll order an Xr or just get a battery replacement.
 
A Note 9 spec'd up is £1099 for example, not that huge a difference all things considered.

£1099 vs £1449, quite a difference if you ask me (if you're talking about the 512GB models). It really didn't feel that long ago £500-600 was the standard for a flagship and now it's between double and triple that. I am just glad trade in programs exist.
 
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I think the bigger issue is that other manufacturers aspiring to Apple's market share feel like they have to price their flagship phones similarly for fear that customers will view them as 'cheap'. As a consequence, competition at the high end of the market actually drives prices upwards, instead of downwards. For this reason, we should be happy companies like OnePlus, Xiaomi etc are producing often equivalent products as well as trying to come up with new ways of doing things.

These are chinese companies that don't have the overheads of a company like Apple and they basically just copy 90% of what apple do. I also wouldn't trust Xiaomi as far as I could throw them with my data. Android in general has been shown time and time again to be using your data when it shouldn't be as well as ignoring preferences you have set for the usage of various things. Some of these Chinese manufacturers put back doors into their version of Android and god know what. I don't think they make bad devices but I'm always amazed at how Apple are slated for everything and anything when these Chinese companies are quite literally crooks and are lauded for offering decent budget phones.

I don't have a problem with people complaining about Apple if they are at least honest and well informed but most people just jump on the bandwagon and don't have any appreciation of how technology works in these sectors. That being said, apple have always stung you for RAM and storage upgrades. **** you apple.
 
Have you jumped on the iOS 12 GM? I installed last night and my 6S is noticeably more responsive in general usage...

EDIT: In fact, given I'll probably get an Xr which I can't pre-order until October, I'll get a month of usage with iOS 12 on my 6S, so I can have a few weeks to decide if I'll order an Xr or just get a battery replacement.

iOS 12 is great. I've been on the betas since the 2nd one and they are super quick and have been very stable from early in the process. I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised.
 
These are chinese companies that don't have the overheads of a company like Apple and they basically just copy 90% of what apple do. I also wouldn't trust Xiaomi as far as I could throw them with my data. Android in general has been shown time and time again to be using your data when it shouldn't be as well as ignoring preferences you have set for the usage of various things. Some of these Chinese manufacturers put back doors into their version of Android and god know what. I don't think they make bad devices but I'm always amazed at how Apple are slated for everything and anything when these Chinese companies are quite literally crooks and are lauded for offering decent budget phones.

This is key for me. I appreciate the hardware but I don't trust any of the Chinese manufacturers at all and I don't particularly trust Google either.
 
These are chinese companies that don't have the overheads of a company like Apple and they basically just copy 90% of what apple do. I also wouldn't trust Xiaomi as far as I could throw them with my data.

I fully accept your comments about Xiaomi (and Android as a whole) and I wouldn't buy a product from this company, nor would I use one if I were offered it free of charge. On the subject of Apple's overheads, they may design some of their own stuff, but iPhones are still put together in huge Chinese people farms stuffed with miserable, underpaid reluctant members of the Chinese Industrial Revolution. By which I mean, the overhead gap isn't really so high, particularly when it comes to labour. In addition, when Xiaomi buy a Snapdragon 845, they are paying Qualcomm's R&D costs in the purchase price of the processor they put in their phones, whilst Apple choose to design their own (no doubt for cost reasons).
 
Ah I see, did initially think that's a pretty big step for phones. Oh well if the screens (ignoring the R) are anything like the iPhone X's - nothing to be worried about :D.

I await the benchmarks where the A12 shows the SDs who's the daddy :(:cool::o.
 
Have you jumped on the iOS 12 GM? I installed last night and my 6S is noticeably more responsive in general usage...

EDIT: In fact, given I'll probably get an Xr which I can't pre-order until October, I'll get a month of usage with iOS 12 on my 6S, so I can have a few weeks to decide if I'll order an Xr or just get a battery replacement.


My iPhone 6 had a new battery last year after I broke the screen and sent it off through insurance, they gave me a refurbished one with a new battery. Will try iOS12 later, saw it popped up but I always reject it for a few weeks because there are always bugs at the beginning.

You are right though, every year after the keynote I get excited to get a new phone but once the hype dies down and I continue using the current one and before you know it, I am 6 months in and then another year is over, thus saving myself a boatload of cash from upgrading. It’s a blessing I can’t order it today because I really would have done.
 
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On the subject of Apple's overheads, they may design some of their own stuff, but iPhones are still put together in huge Chinese people farms stuffed with miserable, underpaid reluctant members of the Chinese Industrial Revolution. By which I mean, the overhead gap isn't really so high, particularly when it comes to labour.

Apple are held to completely different standards to the Chinese companies even in this area. They may both build the phones in China but apple have to make sure their brand of slave labour is much nicer than the standard ones. Both are **** but one is far worse.

In addition, when Xiaomi buy a Snapdragon 845, they are paying Qualcomm's R&D costs in the purchase price of the processor they put in their phones, whilst Apple choose to design their own (no doubt for cost reasons).

I think you have that completely backwards. Qualcom sell a bazillion of their chips to various android manufacturers and spread the cost of R&D over them. Apple develop their own custom chips for pretty much iOS devices. That makes them far more expensive because they aren't making as many and they are absorbing the cost of the R&D.

The main reason they do it is because it gives them complete control over the chips architecture. Currently the A11 still kills any of Qualcomms chips and the A12 will just widen that gap.
 
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