I like David Milliband and particularly Andy Burnham, the problem Labour have David Milliband, who i can easily see as PM had he been leader instead of his Beta brother, he doesn't speak the politics of those millennials, Corbyn does, as Ed did, Momentum are a far left organisation.
Radical Feminist and SJW's incessant cultural Marxism could create havoc on internet infastructure.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that simply by voting for Trump or Brexit the person is an idiot. (I would say that a majority of the reasons for the above I've heard are pretty laughable - like the bendy bananas or other non issues)
Just that the kind of person who lets themselves fall into either of the two extreme categories & detaches from reality is likely an idiot. Being easily persuaded isn't a virtue. Be the person persuading them a left-wing SJW professor of gender studies, or some right-wing opportunist commentator hack.
The second I hear somebody utter the phrase 'Cultural Marxist' I audibly sigh, as I already know exactly what they are thinking - who is on their you-tube playlist & how they've voted for the last 5 years in most cases. It's akin to hearing somebody wax lyrical about gender pronouns & cultural appropriation.
Both conversations are going to be laborious, unproductive & neither have any interest in actually debating.
To be fair though a lot changed that could cause them to vote Labour as opposed to Tory instead from 2015 to 2017. UKIP became redundant so some would return to Labour, the leader of the Cons changed too. Don't get me wrong, obviously a lot of people would have voted for Labour because they prefer Corbyn to Ed, but it's a bit more complicated than that.
Look can i just repeat again, success comes when you let talent bubble to the top naturally, not when you interfere with that and try to push people to the top because of skin colour, or gender or idealogical virtues.
You might find it boring, but it has an interest in you.
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That's fine, just maybe could have been worded a bit better and I do tend to agree with your reply.
They have just put remain back on the ballot paper, 40% of their base voted leave.
Why would they do something like that? pro EU Momentum Activists.
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So true.
So they might get 60% of Labours share of 52% of 72% of the electorate, at best, its very roughly about 15% of the voting public.
The most intelligent thing Labour should have done is not get involved in asking a question that has already been answered, let the Tories deal with it, all they have done is pee off a whole bunch of people who may have voted for them and now wont to please a bunch or people who will vote for them anyway.
Idiots!
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Or the stupidity of people who think that they would get socialism 'right' despite the evidence to the contrary and think it's cool to defend it?
You don't even appear to be one of thoose deluded people who think that socialism = social programs and welfare.... No you appear to be one of the real deal, state sponsored theft, totalitarian, centrally planned and controlled economy Socialists....(I. E an actual Socialist) judging from you being someone who quotes passages like this as an example of an inteligent person making useful suggestions for a workable, ethical social policy.....
Albert Einstein may have discovered a thing or two about physics but his beliefs re social policy have been shown to be leaving an awful lot to be desired by the actual attempts to implement the system he apparently proposed according to your quoted passage.
Any one responding to this post in defence or socialism get bonus stupidity points for some variant of the argument that claims Scandinavian countries or similiar are 'Socialist' (spoiler alert they are not! )...
They are higher tax, higher social spending economies with generally quite free capitalist markets underpinning their economies .
An early clue should be the prime minster by of one having had to explicitly state that his country was not socialist to stop deluded Socialists from claiming it as a workable example.
But we can of course move onto the The economic freedom index which has (out of 180 ranked countries in 2018) Denmark at number 12, Sweeden at 15, Norway at 23 and Finland at 26..... By way of comparison Venezuela (a country that has actually recently implemented Socialist policies) is at 179 just above North Korea at 180!
And you may ask yourself . . "What is this economic freedom. The index refers to?"
Well I'll let them explain ... Needless to say it's the total antithesis of actual socialism
You can view his reasons here but it certainly doesn't seem like he was pushed out, moreso that he doesn't want to be associated with some of the types of people who were also complaining about excessive political correctness.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45664640
In particular:
60% of their base voted remain.
The UK's opinion as a whole has changed and majority want to remain.
Or, more likely, most voters aren't going to change their vote either way but of those that might the proportion that are likely to be swayed are predominantly remain backing. Appeasing Brexiteers is a poor strategy.
The UK is about to make a historic mistake, Labour should be positioning itself to point to a record of being on the side of not making that mistake. Their current wibbling, or "constructive ambiguity" as it's absurdly described, is cowardly and ultimately a missed opportunity.
In fact, Labour should have opposed the whole thing from the start and blamed it on the Tories. They should have been trotting out the lines "This is the Tory party putting party interest ahead of country interest" and "The Tory part is gambling with the UK's future" from the start. The Tory's leadership know how damaging the referendum could be; Labour should have been repeatedly pointing out how stupid this was. Harriet Harmen blew it.
This is an argument put forward as a reason to have another referendum, its based on an assumption that people are now significantly frightened enough to change their minds, they are wrong, again.
I think the opposite is true, i think now a significant number of remainers will vote leave, i think now ex-remainers can see the EU for the authoritarian anti-democratic black-hole that it is, i think they can see we are an insignificant state within it with no control over our own affairs.
I welcome a second referendum only because the sentiment to leave will register more prominently than it did in 2016.