*** The 2018 Gym Rats Thread ***

Fantastic article man! Thanks for linking!

In that case (at the risk of asking the question which probably has an answer every 3 pages...) what Protein Powder do you guys recommend? If I need in excess of 200gs a day then there's no way I can deal with that much Chicken...

Provided you're not intolerant to lactose, most varieties of whey are probably fine. MyProtein and Bulk Powders are probably the most reputable good value companies in the UK for this. You won't need to more expensive whey isolate varieties, and these are just a bit more pure but for quite a bit more money.

You're probably best aiming to get good quality protein from a variety of sources, though, just to make sure you have a balanced diet (also an over-reliance on whey will give you whey flatulence if you're anything like me, even though I don't have any digestive problems with dairy...).

Also consider fish (tuna, salmon, trout, cod, monkfish and smoked haddock are my favourites), turkey, pork (under-rated lean meat if you get the right cut), natural/Greek yoghurt, quark, cottage cheese, nuts, pulses and wholegrains (quinoa, oats, linseed, lentils, chickpeas, beans, etc.), and good old milk. Don't discount the protein in veggies too - peas and broccoli for instance both have reasonable amounts of protein as well as vitamins, minerals and fibre - and soybeans, of course.

I get 190g protein per day without too much bother by concentrating on these foods, with only one scoop of whey with my breakfast. It's just a matter of getting a handle on the rough protein content of various foods, and then once you have a few staple meals you can chop and change pretty easily.

After a month or so I find myself just working this out fairly automatically (like last night: my wife and kids had fish 'n' chips, which I didn't want as I'm cutting fat. A quick rummage through the freezer and I made myself a couple of fillets of smoked haddock with a heap of quinoa, green beans, broccoli and peppers - 450Kcal and 50g protein it worked out to, and with some greek yoghurt for dessert I was easily over my desired protein target for the meal. I stir-fried the veggies in garlic and soy sauce too, so it wasn't bland - you don't just have to stuff yourself with chicken breast! :))
 
Provided you're not intolerant to lactose, most varieties of whey are probably fine. MyProtein and Bulk Powders are probably the most reputable good value companies in the UK for this. You won't need to more expensive whey isolate varieties, and these are just a bit more pure but for quite a bit more money.

You're probably best aiming to get good quality protein from a variety of sources, though, just to make sure you have a balanced diet (also an over-reliance on whey will give you whey flatulence if you're anything like me, even though I don't have any digestive problems with dairy...).

Also consider fish (tuna, salmon, trout, cod, monkfish and smoked haddock are my favourites), turkey, pork (under-rated lean meat if you get the right cut), natural/Greek yoghurt, quark, cottage cheese, nuts, pulses and wholegrains (quinoa, oats, linseed, lentils, chickpeas, beans, etc.), and good old milk. Don't discount the protein in veggies too - peas and broccoli for instance both have reasonable amounts of protein as well as vitamins, minerals and fibre - and soybeans, of course.

I get 190g protein per day without too much bother by concentrating on these foods, with only one scoop of whey with my breakfast. It's just a matter of getting a handle on the rough protein content of various foods, and then once you have a few staple meals you can chop and change pretty easily.

After a month or so I find myself just working this out fairly automatically (like last night: my wife and kids had fish 'n' chips, which I didn't want as I'm cutting fat. A quick rummage through the freezer and I made myself a couple of fillets of smoked haddock with a heap of quinoa, green beans, broccoli and peppers - 450Kcal and 50g protein it worked out to, and with some greek yoghurt for dessert I was easily over my desired protein target for the meal. I stir-fried the veggies in garlic and soy sauce too, so it wasn't bland - you don't just have to stuff yourself with chicken breast! :))


Nice one for the detailed response!

It looks as though my diet is fairly similar to yours in that I eat a lot of protein rich foods by default (Quinoa salads most days for lunch, plenty of fish, chicken and green veg as well as overnight oats with plenty of Greek yoghurt for breakfast), so I'd imagine the inclusion of a supplement would be around the same volume. Regardless, I'll use the MyFitness app to track intake and adjust accordingly :)

Is it best to take your shake or supplement in the morning as you suggested then? I see quite a few people mentioning that they shake up around an hour before there workout begins and again almost directly after it's done
 
Nice one for the detailed response!

It looks as though my diet is fairly similar to yours in that I eat a lot of protein rich foods by default (Quinoa salads most days for lunch, plenty of fish, chicken and green veg as well as overnight oats with plenty of Greek yoghurt for breakfast), so I'd imagine the inclusion of a supplement would be around the same volume. Regardless, I'll use the MyFitness app to track intake and adjust accordingly :)

Is it best to take your shake or supplement in the morning as you suggested then? I see quite a few people mentioning that they shake up around an hour before there workout begins and again almost directly after it's done

Sounds good! :)

I don't think it matters that much when you take your whey. There's a lot of over-thinking that goes into this sometimes, and a lot of set-in-stone gym-science assumptions have been found to be baseless (e.g. you can only digest around 20g protein at once, you need 6 small meals per day to keep your metabolism optimal, you have a short anabolic window to get your nutrients right after exercise, etc.).

I just have my whey in the morning because... well, no reason really, other than that it's easier to mix into a breakfast of oats or quark than any other meal. :)

AFAIK, it's still regarded as good practice to get some quality protein after working out (but no need to stress getting it immediately after a gym session). But other than that, plenty of people train fasted in the morning, while others prefer getting some protein and carbs about an hour or so beforehand. No reason not to try different approaches and see what works best for you.

And there's nothing special about whey. It's a complete protein and high in some of the important amino acids that some other sources aren't, but it's just a convenient and easy to prepare protein source really, nothing more than that, so I don't think it would matter when you took it.
 
Sounds good! :)

I don't think it matters that much when you take your whey. There's a lot of over-thinking that goes into this sometimes, and a lot of set-in-stone gym-science assumptions have been found to be baseless (e.g. you can only digest around 20g protein at once, you need 6 small meals per day to keep your metabolism optimal, you have a short anabolic window to get your nutrients right after exercise, etc.).

I just have my whey in the morning because... well, no reason really, other than that it's easier to mix into a breakfast of oats or quark than any other meal. :)

AFAIK, it's still regarded as good practice to get some quality protein after working out (but no need to stress getting it immediately after a gym session). But other than that, plenty of people train fasted in the morning, while others prefer getting some protein and carbs about an hour or so beforehand. No reason not to try different approaches and see what works best for you.

And there's nothing special about whey. It's a complete protein and high in some of the important amino acids that some other sources aren't, but it's just a convenient and easy to prepare protein source really, nothing more than that, so I don't think it would matter when you took it.

Nice one mate! Been a great help! Got my first order of Bulk Powder ordered :)
 
Fantastic article man! Thanks for linking!

In that case (at the risk of asking the question which probably has an answer every 3 pages...) what Protein Powder do you guys recommend? If I need in excess of 200gs a day then there's no way I can deal with that much Chicken...

One thing to bare in mind with those recommendations - to keep things simple the article was focusing on recommendations using total body weight, because most of the target audience are relatively lean. If you've got a lot of weight to lose then it's better to use protein requirements based off lean body mass (even a rough guess is good enough) because otherwise you end up with unnecessarily high numbers. It's much less of an issue when you're not lean as you have plenty of available energy floating around, so protein is largely left alone to do it's normal job, where as when you're fairly peeled it's likely at least some of it will get diverted and used in other ways because there's little fat left to metabolise.
 
One thing to bare in mind with those recommendations - to keep things simple the article was focusing on recommendations using total body weight, because most of the target audience are relatively lean. If you've got a lot of weight to lose then it's better to use protein requirements based off lean body mass (even a rough guess is good enough) because otherwise you end up with unnecessarily high numbers. It's much less of an issue when you're not lean as you have plenty of available energy floating around, so protein is largely left alone to do it's normal job, where as when you're fairly peeled it's likely at least some of it will get diverted and used in other ways because there's little fat left to metabolise.

This did cross my mind last night actually. I'm 6'1 and around 90kgs a the mo. I'm not fat by any means, but I'm apparently still technically 'overweight' by around 5 pounds. I'll do the math at 80kgs for now and see what sort of results I get :)
 
Myprotein have a 2for1 offer on at the moment... It includes their Total Protein Blend which looks decent - a mix of proteins, and fractionally higher % than their standard Impact Whey (which I usually buy)

10 kgs for £70 seems good value.
 
Chest is kinda responding, but shoulder is still holding me back a bit.

I currently weigh 77kg and managed a decent chest workout

Bench Press
60x12
80x8
100x8
110x3 paused
110x4 non-paused

Incline DB press
30x10
40x10
44x8

3 sets of body weight dips.

2 sets each of cable cross overs hitting lower, mid and upper chest (6 sets total)

Triceps I did bar dips super set with a sort of skullcrusher off the chest level bar. Followed by cable rope extensions and lying DB extensions.

Pump was good, looked pretty decent post workout despite being 8 kg off my previous body weight.

I may start a log soon, off to Mexico next week.
 
Chest is kinda responding, but shoulder is still holding me back a bit.

I currently weigh 77kg and managed a decent chest workout

Bench Press
60x12
80x8
100x8
110x3 paused
110x4 non-paused

Incline DB press
30x10
40x10
44x8

3 sets of body weight dips.

2 sets each of cable cross overs hitting lower, mid and upper chest (6 sets total)

Triceps I did bar dips super set with a sort of skullcrusher off the chest level bar. Followed by cable rope extensions and lying DB extensions.

Pump was good, looked pretty decent post workout despite being 8 kg off my previous body weight.

I may start a log soon, off to Mexico next week.

And I thought I was overdoing my chest with Bench and incline DB Mon / Fri

Good numbers btw - wish I could bench 100kg - aiming to do 80kg comfortably at moment....

Im same weight but 6foot1 - What height are u for that weight?
 
And I thought I was overdoing my chest with Bench and incline DB Mon / Fri

Good numbers btw - wish I could bench 100kg - aiming to do 80kg comfortably at moment....

Im same weight but 6foot1 - What height are u for that weight?

I'm 5' 11".

Numbers are pretty good considering I had to start again on 15kg DBs after nuking my shoulder. I will always compare the numbers to what I lifted back in the powerlifting days, which make these numbers look average.
 
Yeah my right shoulder keeps getting damaged and is definitely not 100%.... I am starting to hit my usual 80kg sticking point again so I thought I would do 2 * chest a week...…. I failed the last two sets twice in a row again on last rep.... just feels like my energy gets sapped and its impossible to lift...… so annoying (this is with 5 minutes rest)
 
Yeah my right shoulder keeps getting damaged and is definitely not 100%.... I am starting to hit my usual 80kg sticking point again so I thought I would do 2 * chest a week...…. I failed the last two sets twice in a row again on last rep.... just feels like my energy gets sapped and its impossible to lift...… so annoying (this is with 5 minutes rest)

Personally I've never trained chest twice a week and I make sure I haven't trained shoulders/triceps prior to ensure everything is fresh.

A nice progressive program will see your strength go up. For example if your current 5 rep max is 80 you could structure it like this:

Week 1: 65x5x3
Week 2: 70x5x3
Week 3: 75x5x3
Week 4: 80x5x3

So by week 4 your doing your rep 5 for 3 sets, and what you will find is your new 5 rep max has increased. Take 1 week deload and then start another cycle with your new 5 rep max.

This is a simple approach and may be a little aggressive depending on your training maturity.
 
Personally I've never trained chest twice a week and I make sure I haven't trained shoulders/triceps prior to ensure everything is fresh.

A nice progressive program will see your strength go up. For example if your current 5 rep max is 80 you could structure it like this:

Week 1: 65x5x3
Week 2: 70x5x3
Week 3: 75x5x3
Week 4: 80x5x3

So by week 4 your doing your rep 5 for 3 sets, and what you will find is your new 5 rep max has increased. Take 1 week deload and then start another cycle with your new 5 rep max.

This is a simple approach and may be a little aggressive depending on your training maturity.

I am currently doing 5x5. I successfully completed 77.5. Wouldn’t dropping back to 65 5x3 be too much of a backward step?
 
I am currently doing 5x5. I successfully completed 77.5. Wouldn’t dropping back to 65 5x3 be too much of a backward step?

It was just an example, I assumed a 5 rep max of 80. 5x5 is good, but I find if the weight is tough 5 sets is brutal.
 
Decided to make an actual day to day routine last week and it's proving to be pretty annoying. My gym lacks a lot of basic facilities (BB rack, cable, pull up bar etc.) and I've had to find alternative exercises that sub out the BB for DB's and I just can't seem to get my form in line, especially with regards to chest and triceps workouts.

Any of you guys have any basic exercises that hit these particular muscles?
 
Decided to make an actual day to day routine last week and it's proving to be pretty annoying. My gym lacks a lot of basic facilities (BB rack, cable, pull up bar etc.) and I've had to find alternative exercises that sub out the BB for DB's and I just can't seem to get my form in line, especially with regards to chest and triceps workouts.

Any of you guys have any basic exercises that hit these particular muscles?

dumbell "close grip" floor press hammers my triceps
 
Decided to make an actual day to day routine last week and it's proving to be pretty annoying. My gym lacks a lot of basic facilities (BB rack, cable, pull up bar etc.) and I've had to find alternative exercises that sub out the BB for DB's and I just can't seem to get my form in line, especially with regards to chest and triceps workouts.

Any of you guys have any basic exercises that hit these particular muscles?

I had a similar issue when i started dumbbell presses. I found my form was horrible when i first started because my muscles were not use to stabilizing the dumbbells. This resulted in my chest not feeling like it was getting hit properly and my technique being all over the place. I dropped the weight and after a very short while nailing my form and allowing my stabilizing muscles to catch up, i could increase the weight steadily.

As far as chest and triceps exercises that require minimal equipment, chest and triceps dips always wear me out
 
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