UN Migration Pact - Criticising Migration = Hate Crime

yet more ignorance.


You miss the point that's staring you in the face. There are still questions. There are still things we do not understand.
But the things we don't understand are not actually that important in the scale of global warming. We don;t understand ever aspect of evolution, so what? We don't udnerstand exactly how every part fo the human body works, but we still know enough to help repair it, prevent damage, medicate. We don;t know everythign about aerodynamics, uyet we can still make some amazing planes based ont he knowledge we do possess.

We are looking at a very specific portion of time, so small in the life of earth that the micro is given omnipotence over the macro.
NO we are not, we are examining millions f years of climatic history.

The worst people can really say is not climate deniers but 'not alarmist'.
If someone is not alarmed at the prospect of catastrophic global warming then they are deluded.

Again, you can find lots of evidence of scientists claiming an ice free arctic in many many years.
And the evidence is clear that the artic is warming faster than even most of the worst predictions, so far the evidence suggests that global warming will be much worse than the earlier predictions.

People also claiming Antarctica was going to be gone by 2020,
No climate scientist has ever said that. That is a flat outright lie.

despite billions of tonnes being added to the ice sheet.

Which is entirely due to global warming, and is yet more proof that the climate scientists are right.
 
yet more ignorance.

Pot, kettle.


But the things we don't understand are not actually that important in the scale of global warming. We don;t understand ever aspect of evolution, so what? We don't udnerstand exactly how every part fo the human body works, but we still know enough to help repair it, prevent damage, medicate. We don;t know everythign about aerodynamics, uyet we can still make some amazing planes based ont he knowledge we do possess.

So how can we say: The discussion is over?

NO we are not, we are examining millions f years of climatic history.

Really? Would you care to post a certain famous graph that shows average earth temps over millions of years? Heck I'll take it you know nothing of the younger dryas either. Climate changes all over the world, hour to hour, day to day, year to year, decade to decade, century to century.

If someone is not alarmed at the prospect of catastrophic global warming then they are deluded.

It takes an event of extra terrestrial origin to describe such an event with one exception that pales in comparison.

And the evidence is clear that the artic is warming faster than even most of the worst predictions, so far the evidence suggests that global warming will be much worse than the earlier predictions.

That "might" be the case. I say this because we don't know enough (because it is not documented as we weren't around) about a longitudinal study and neither does one exist. Because we haven't been around for long enough. I can remember being told at HS that London would probably be under water when I grew up. I can also remember a certain Geography teacher making the ice free arctic predictions (which there have been several of).

No climate scientist has ever said that. That is a flat outright lie.

A miscommunication: Antarctic ice would be gone. Here is a similar item in the same vein: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25556-collapse-of-antarctic-glaciers-seems-to-be-unstoppable/

On a phone its difficult to get everything.

Which is entirely due to global warming, and is yet more proof that the climate scientists are right.

So you are arguing that warming (globally) produces more ice?

The questions are still needed. the answers take time. Most predictions made have been off. Why, ask yourself, is it that a lot of people coming out against it are former climate scientists? Many openly admitting they do it to ensure funding.

Carbon tax, because breathing tax would be too obvious. A statement years ago made a claim that governments would figure out a way to tax the air you breath but they can't figure out a way of forcing us to accept it.
 
Thanks @Amp34

We really don’t.

Did you listen to the remarks made in the EUParl?

They said "one basic element of the new agreement is the extension of thedefinition of hate speech... criticism migration will become a criminal offence". He went on to say newspapers who speak out about it will be shut down. Right from horses mouth.

You speak out against migration and you will be charged. Orwellian.[/QUOTE]
 
Small victory, the petition is at 95,000 and will surely get to 100,000 today.

I wonder how long it will be before the topics in the thread breach mainstream TV and radio.
 
Did you listen to the remarks made in the EUParl?

They said "one basic element of the new agreement is the extension of thedefinition of hate speech... criticism migration will become a criminal offence". He went on to say newspapers who speak out about it will be shut down. Right from horses mouth.

You speak out against migration and you will be charged. Orwellian.

The whole parliament said that, or one MEP claimed it?
 
Maybe because there is still quite questionable things within climate change. I now just take the view that the people who throw around climate change "deniers" are merely modern-day versions of the peoples of old who wailed "heretic" and "blasphemer". Another way of saying "racist" and trying to shame people.

I think most climate change deniers are willfully ignorant of the scientific evidence for it, or they have some ulterior motive for denying it.

There is always some inherent uncertainty in any scientific conclusion and a lot of people don't like that, or they use it as an excuse to refute the findings no matter the strength of the results. However, currently (depending on sources) 90–100% of peer-reviewed literature agrees that human-caused climate change is real.

There are, no doubt, many valid criticisms and unanswered questions surrounding the study of climate change, and the predictions may not be 100% accurate (as you've shown), but that doesn't mean they are wrong as a whole when looking at general trends.

It's perfectly possible that tomorrow some new evidence could show that climate change (man-made or otherwise) isn't happening, and we would have to re-evaluate our conclusions. Until that happens, it makes sense to base our outlook and global decisions on the scientific consensus.

Did you listen to the remarks made in the EUParl?

They said, "one basic element of the new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech... criticism of migration will become a criminal offence". He went on to say newspapers who speak out about it will be shut down. Right from horse's mouth.

You speak out against migration and you will be charged. Orwellian.

As I pointed out to Roar earlier, the men in that video are MEPs from a Right-wing Nationalist political group. They do not speak for the EU Parliment as a whole. They were not dictating how the EU intends to implement the compact. They were expressing their concerns with the compact in the most biased and distorted way, by painting a picture of a dystopian future that has no basis in reality.

However, because they were sat in front of an EU Parliment backdrop and they were holding a press conference, you have incorrectly assumed that what they said is fact rather than opinion.

As mentioned above, there is absolutely nothing in the compact that would turn criticism of migration into a criminal offence, nor is there anything in there that says newspapers or media outlets will be shut down for speaking out against migration.
 
Pot, kettle.
Except you are the one who has posted easily verifiable false information.

So how can we say: The discussion is over?
In the same way the discussion on the theory of evolution is over.

Really? Would you care to post a certain famous graph that shows average earth temps over millions of years?
Which one, knock yourself out on Google.

Heck I'll take it you know nothing of the younger dryas either.
You don't have the slightest inclination of what I know. You have thrown out a random climatological reference under the incorrect assumption that i wouldn't know what it was as if that is some how supposed to makes you more educated on the matter. Nothing could be further form the truth. This just makes you look incredibly pathetic.

Climate changes all over the world, hour to hour, day to day, year to year, decade to decade, century to century.

More irrelevant waffle. Just keep digging that grave.
It takes an event of extra terrestrial origin to describe such an event with one exception that pales in comparison.


That "might" be the case. I say this because we don't know enough
You don;t know enough because you are not expert and are ignorant of the topic.

(because it is not documented as we weren't around) about a longitudinal study and neither does one exist. Because we haven't been around for long enough.
Firstly, we have accurate meteorological record going back hundreds of years.
Secondly, we don't have to be around, the evidence is there to collect all around us from multiple independent and verifiable sources.


Again, this just shows your ignorance of climate science.

I can remember being told at HS that London would probably be under water when I grew up.
You weren't told that from a climate scientist. What you were liekly actually told was London would be at increasing risks of flooding, which is measurably true due to sea level rises and frequency and seveity of storms. This is a hard fact, which is why the Thames BArrier is looking to be massively upgraded too lengthen its effective functional lifespan against rising sea levels.

I can also remember a certain Geography teacher making the ice free arctic predictions (which there have been several of).

The arctic summer ice is declining faster than earlier predictions . In the early 2000s it was estimated the artic would see its first ice free summer by about 2060 to 2070. The ice has been in such rapid decline that calibration of new more advanced models is predicting 2040 to 2050. If you are going to cliam the predictions are wrong then we will have to wait 20 to 30 years.

A miscommunication: Antarctic ice would be gone. Here is a similar item in the same vein: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25556-collapse-of-antarctic-glaciers-seems-to-be-unstoppable/
No where in that article does it mention anything close to Antarctic ice being gone. You are simply not understanding what the scientist are saying. Antarctic sea ice is absolutely only the decline area wise in some locations, this is verifiable with hard data and is exactly as prediction by climate change models. What is also true is other areas more inland witness a positive ice balance and increased accumulations of ice, exactly as predicted by climate models. That is because a warmer planet with warmer oceans melts ice on the outskirts but allows increased transportation of snow to the colder interior where it never melts. So far the Antarctic is behaving exactly as prediction since the 70s and 80s.


So you are arguing that warming (globally) produces more ice?
No I'm not, Climate scientists and advanced climatic models predict more ice in the central Antarctic, plus some other areas such as Norway and some Alaskan glaciers. Most glaciers are melting, but those that receive significantly increased winter precipitation will expand. This is high school level geography.

The questions are still needed. the answers take time. Most predictions made have been off.

Wrong, most predictions have been very accurate, and if there is any evidence for systematic errors it has been that earlier predictions were far too conservative with the rate of warming and the consequences. The Artic is melting faster than earlier predictions for example. Temperature balance is rising faster.

Why, ask yourself, is it that a lot of people coming out against it are former climate scientists?
They aren't, over 97% of climate scientists believe humans are largely responsible for the observed climate change.

The opposite tends to be the case with those trying to make claims against the scientific community have vested interests in industry and fossil fuels.
I am also very familiar with some of the more reliable climate skeptics. The fact is even they believe humans are almost entirely responsible and the consequences will be catastrophic, but they are concerned with aspect of the scientific community or economic costs rather than than the hard science.

There is literally no one credible that has anything meaningful to say that goes against the climate science majority. What you are left with are the same people that don;t believe in evolution or think the earth is flat.

Many openly admitting they do it to ensure funding.
You will have to provide references.

Carbon tax, because breathing tax would be too obvious. A statement years ago made a claim that governments would figure out a way to tax the air you breath but they can't figure out a way of forcing us to accept it.

Given the reality of catastrophic climate change, how else are you going to tackle the cause?
 
I love that fact that out all of the constituencies in the UK, the Isle of Wight has the most signatories to the petition.

You would have thought that they would benefit from diluting the gene pool. :p
 
Imagine still denying climate change in 2018. Lmao.....
Imagine still waiting for winters where snow is a thing of the past.

Winter has gone forever and we should officially bring spring forward instead. … There is no winter any more despite a cold snap before Christmas. It is nothing like years ago when I was younger. There is a real problem with spring because so much is flowering so early year to year.”

Express, Dr Nigel Taylor, Curator of Kew Gardens, 8 Feb 2008

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With the pace of global warming increasing, some climate change experts predict that the Scottish ski industry will cease to exist within 20 years.”

Guardian, 14 February 2004

[4 January 2013: “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow and strong winds.”]
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If you even had slightest idea about anything you'd know that global warming doesn't automatically = less snow.

lol....

Cold outside mate! That global warming thing is a hoax.
Just proving they don't know what they are talking about, they don't have a clue, it's all guess work.

.June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population

Arrogance of man, climates are cyclical. The out of 1 volcanoes, dwarves man made emission in a year, but too many careers built on failed predictions and wonky models.
 
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