UN Migration Pact - Criticising Migration = Hate Crime

[StriderX]

Well the recent situation was the trial run, and we have disorder over many cities in Europe, 2m extra bodies in Germany, and a UK population who voted out of the EU largely because of it!

What on Earth will happen in the future, lord only knows. I can see countries like Hungary/Czech/Poland defending their borders like Israel does currently.

Pointlessly, it wont be as simple as migrants come to border, defend the border, done. It'll be a huge battlefield with the big players all maneuvering how to best damage each other while the planet suffers. All the while social structure collapses as economies start folding, with major authoritarian devices employed for irrelevant reasons by governments because they need to be seen doing anything to stay in power.

The average life expectancy will start dropping as social programs can't be funded in the midst of a declining standards.

And it could all be solved right now, today if people just realised that their isolationism is self-defeating nonsense, literally all growth in the last century or two has been due to globalised trade systems, if it breaks... we break.

 

[Amp34]

this guy gets it.

If people are upset about the current migration crisis in Europe, its a pre-cursor to something pretty much biblical in the future.

At least the UK is an island, as I'd expect tens of millions if not 100m+ migrants in the future when things hit the fan in Africa/Middle East.

A small, densely populated island with not enough resources to sustain itself if things did come to pass.

If you look back at history it's littered with advanced, powerful civilizations that collapsed after running out of resources and ending up in violence. It doesn't matter whether you look at ancient Europe, South/Central America or South East Asia. So far we (as Europeans) have managed to bypass/dodge this with our expansion during the colonial era and the subsequent global trade system. That has allowed us to sustain our societies by using resources from elsewhere in the world.

Unfortunately we (as a species) are now getting to the point where worldwide we are running out of resources. Unless we can spread to other planets and start colonising them, extracting their resources to sate demand on earth, we're pretty much doomed to repeat what has happened time and time again.

 

[Mason-]

Imagine my shock when I read that Israel won't be signing in order to protect its borders. They push and push and push for western nations to take on refugees and other immigrants, but when it comes to them taking any they suddenly look the other way. Forced diversity for thee, but not for me, goyim...

Christ, GD has gone full 4chan

 

[RaohNS]

It's ironic that many of the 'anti-migrant' brigade are also climate change deniers.

Maybe because there is still quite questionable things within climate change. I now just take the view that the people who throw around climate change "deniers" are merely modern day versions of the peoples of old who wailed "heretic" and "blasphemer". Another way of saying "racist" and trying to shame people.

There is a lot to question on climate change. An awful lot. Humans do have some impact, undoubtedly, but to have predicts ice free arctic by 1997, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2017, 2022 etc, not to mention a host of other things that have been explained away. The CO2 is producing global greening in the northern hemisphere plus other things.

My concern is direct toxic pollution. Temps meh we've been going up and down hour by hour for hundreds of millions of years.

 

[StriderX]

It would help if it wasn't sensationalised, but in reality we have no idea because it's such a big unknown.

 

[Trappi$t]

Lol at the doom-mongering globalists. I am quite sure that if faced with dire times, the UK could easily support itself. Might not be easy, but quite possible I am sure.

Oh no, some wilting lilly's might not get their Avocados, oh well.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Maybe because there is still quite questionable things within climate change. I now just take the view that the people who throw around climate change "deniers" are merely modern day versions of the peoples of old who wailed "heretic" and "blasphemer". Another way of saying "racist" and trying to shame people.

Trying to remove weight or importance from a word you don't like is just so passe. Equally, I thought we'd left the short-lived experts-know-nothing stance behind us but nope, looks like uninformed Joe Bloggs on a computer forum has all the answers regardless of what far more educated and qualified experts might say.

But who cares what experts say, eh? Particularly when it doesn't match our own opinions.

 

[Amp34]

Lol at the doom-mongering globalists. I am quite sure that if faced with dire times, the UK could easily support itself. Might not be easy, but quite possible I am sure.

Oh no, some wilting lilly's might not get their Avocados, oh well.

Where do you plan on farming all the food to feed 70 million people*? We only just did it when we had 46 million during WW2 (and that was with imports). Where do you plan on getting energy from? The UK is a net importer of fossil fuels and has been for a while now. Where do you plan on mining all those important minerals that aren't present in the UK? Where are the computer components going to be built, etc etc.

Sure, it would be possible but we wouldn't be living the same way we do now. Living standards would collapse for starters.

Face it "globalists" have been in control of the UK for centuries. Colonialism is just one example of the UK's historic global outlook.

*No, not just the Avocados but Bananas, Oranges, Grapes, Satsumas, Soy, Apples, Beans, Wheat, Corn, Sugar etc.. Sure the last five we can and do grow in the UK, but the majority of it is still imported. Meat and milk is a little more self sufficient, but in part because of the feed brought in from abroad.

 

[LabR@t]

Where do you plan on farming all the food to feed 70 million people? We only just did it when we had 46 million during WW2 (and that was with imports). Where do you plan on getting energy from? The UK is a net importer of fossil fuels and has been for a while now. Where do you plan on mining all those important minerals that aren't present in the UK? Where are the computer components going to be built, etc etc.

Sure, it would be possible but we wouldn't be living the same way we do now. Living standards would collapse for starters.

Face it "globalists" have been in control of the UK for centuries. Colonialism is just one example of the UK's historic global outlook.

I think computers will be pretty low down on my priorities by this stage.

 

[Trappi$t]

Where do you plan on farming all the food to feed 70 million people? We only just did it when we had 46 million during WW2 (and that was with imports). Where do you plan on getting energy from? The UK is a net importer of fossil fuels and has been for a while now. Where do you plan on mining all those important minerals that aren't present in the UK? Where are the computer components going to be built, etc etc.

Sure, it would be possible but we wouldn't be living the same way we do now. Living standards would collapse for starters.

Face it "globalists" have been in control of the UK for centuries. Colonialism is just one example of the UK's historic global outlook.

I think when faced with what people are predicting, our drop in living standards will pale into insignificance with the deaths and other things that will kick off. It would be a bit of a tough one for a while, but with British stoicism, I am sure UK would prevail.

If you flipped the tables and used Japan as an example, do people really think that Japan would collapse and struggle to support its population? Im sure they would be ok.

Also... since we would have weapons, if the stuff really hit the fan, we could always invade somewhere as a last resort. We used to be good at it, until colonialism went out of fashion.

 

[Trappi$t]

Where do you plan on farming all the food to feed 70 million people*? We only just did it when we had 46 million during WW2 (and that was with imports). Where do you plan on getting energy from? The UK is a net importer of fossil fuels and has been for a while now. Where do you plan on mining all those important minerals that aren't present in the UK? Where are the computer components going to be built, etc etc.

Sure, it would be possible but we wouldn't be living the same way we do now. Living standards would collapse for starters.

Face it "globalists" have been in control of the UK for centuries. Colonialism is just one example of the UK's historic global outlook.

*No, not just the Avocados but Bananas, Oranges, Grapes, Satsumas, Soy, Apples, Beans, Wheat, Corn, Sugar etc.. Sure the last five we can and do grow in the UK, but the majority of it is still imported. Meat and milk is a little more self sufficient, but in part because of the feed brought in from abroad.

Oh no, less soy? How will we cope? Maybe it might force some Emo's to alpha up a bit?

Pretty sure we are good for Wheat, Corn, Apples etc. The rest..? pfff, in times of crisis wont be required.

 

[Amp34]

I think when faced with what people are predicting, our drop in living standards will pale into insignificance with the deaths and other things that will kick off. It would be a bit of a tough one for a while, but with British stoicism, I am sure UK would prevail.

If you flipped the tables and used Japan as an example, do people really think that Japan would collapse and struggle to support its population? Im sure they would be ok.

Also... since we would have weapons, if the stuff really hit the fan, we could always invade somewhere as a last resort. We used to be good at it, until colonialism went out of fashion.

Wrong.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...eeds-imports-to-keep-itself-fed/#.XAb3IdtKiUk

Japan has one of the worst deficits in the developed world.

Sure, British stoicim may see you through, but the point is living standards would collapse, which is what happens time and time again.

Oh no, less soy? How will we cope? Maybe it might force some Emo's to alpha up a bit?

Pretty sure we are good for Wheat, Corn, Apples etc. The rest..? pfff, in times of crisis wont be required.

You do know Soy is one of the most widely used produce in foods right? It's also a major constituent of feed for animals. It's up there with wheat and sugar.*

As for wheat, the UK currently imports around 15%, so could become self sufficient. Corn/maize is heavily imported (especially the stuff humans eat, but also for animal feed) and the UK imports two thirds of it's Apples.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-11434691/why-two-thirds-of-apples-in-uk-are-imported
https://www.pma.com/~/media/pma-files/research-and-development/unitedkingdom.pdf?la=en&la=en

As usual, an anti globalist has no idea just how reliant the UK economy is for it's staples...

 

[Trappi$t]

Maybe they need to? (the standards collapsing) We dont need half the rubbish people buy/consume these days anyway. I dont think the western model of continuous "improvement" is feasible, and we are seeing the tipping point now as life gets worse.

I think the entire western world could take a lesson from the less fortunates of this world on more simplified and sustainable living!

 

[Trappi$t]

That Japan link was eye opening.

 

[Amp34]

That Japan link was eye opening.

The UK isn't that much better unfortunately, with less than 50% of the food consumed in the UK of UK origin. From a self sufficiency standpoint, with no exports it would go up to around 60%, so that's 40% less food with no imports.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

 

[StriderX]

And that's before we realise that meat production is too expensive and a gross waste of land, we'll be on a vegan diet simply because it'd be implied genocide otherwise.

 

[Amp34]

And that's before we realise that meat production is too expensive and a gross waste of land, we'll be on a vegan diet simply because it'd be implied genocide otherwise.

And I'm not sure British stoicism will help when a quarter of the population starve to death... Pretty sure there will be violence and disintegration of government backed law and order by that point. That's basically what happened in all the other civilizations when their populations increased beyond the capacity of the land to feed them.

Basically, the point being is that if it comes to the point the developing world runs out of food, and hundreds of millions of climate refugees start migrating across the world, a 20 mile stretch of water is not going to stop the problems that caused the migration affecting the UK.

 

[Chris Wilson]

BELGIUM’S government is at risk of crumbling over the United Nations’ controversial Migration Pact, which has been welcomed by the nation’s Prime Minister Charles Michel but challenged by the country’s largest opposition party.
By Carly Read
PUBLISHED: 07:02, Wed, Dec 5, 2018 | UPDATED: 07:45, Wed, Dec 5, 2018


Bart de Wever, leader of the New-Flemish Alliance, has blasted the UN Migration Pact as unacceptable while Belgium’s leader Mr Michel is keen to sign it in a move that could trigger the fall of the Belgian government. Mr de Wever said: “It’s non-binding, but will that serve as an argument in court? The fact that the EU is no longer pursuing push back policies on refugees is the result of a court decision, not a political one.” As a result of the divide, judges in Belgium have suggested the “solution” is to add a further clause that would essentially reduce the implications of the UN pact for the EU member state. This has sparked further fury by Mr de Wever’s party, with members refusing to budge on their stance on the pact regardless of the talks.
This has sparked outrage by Mr Michel, who raged: “It’s not impossible to find a solution!”

Belgium is not the only nation to disagree on the controversial pact which would not only make immigration a human right, but also see those who challenge it jailed for committing hate crime.
The document has been boycotted by Italy, France, Poland, Israel, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Australia, Slovakia, Hungary and Austria which have all rejected the proposals in favour of tougher border controls.

But the UK, Netherlands and Denmark have all said they are supportive of the pact, which was announced by MEP Marcus de Graff.

President Donald Trump, who has maintained a hardline response to immigration in the US, was not a fan.

EU analysts have warned a bloc wide rebuff of the pact will undermine future efforts to deal with migration crisis’ similar to the one experienced in 2015-2016, when thousands of refugees flooded into Europe from Syria and Afghanistan.

But Hanne Bierins of the Migration Policy Institute Europe think tank, criticised the UN-devised pact.

Mr Bierins said: “Now we threaten to go down a road where people can pretend this unilateral approach is not only feasible but desirable. But a containment policy of managing borders will only last so long until it falters.”

On Saturday, Marcus de Graff said of the pact: “It is declaring migration as a human right so it will, in effect, become impossible to criticise Mrs Merkel’s welcome migrants politics without being at risk of being jailed for hate speech.”

 

[RaohNS]

Trying to remove weight or importance from a word you don't like is just so passe. Equally, I thought we'd left the short-lived experts-know-nothing stance behind us but nope, looks like uninformed Joe Bloggs on a computer forum has all the answers regardless of what far more educated and qualified experts might say.

But who cares what experts say, eh? Particularly when it doesn't match our own opinions.

You miss the point that's staring you in the face. There are still questions. There are still things we do not understand. We are looking at a very specific portion of time, so small in the life of earth that the micro is given omnipotence over the macro.

The worst people can really say is not climate deniers but 'not alarmist'.

Again, you can find lots of evidence of scientists claiming an ice free arctic in many many years. People also claiming Antarctica was going to be gone by 2020, despite billions of tonnes being added to the ice sheet.

 

[D.P.]

Oh no, less soy? How will we cope? Maybe it might force some Emo's to alpha up a bit?

Pretty sure we are good for Wheat, Corn, Apples etc. The rest..? pfff, in times of crisis wont be required.

Another post of pure ignorance,.

The Soy is used to feed cattle and sheep. No Soy, no beef.