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It never ends that way, ever.

The Chinese seem to be dealing with their terror threat quite effectively. Meanwhile back in Europe, we have the usual annual Christmas mass murder attempt, it is so frequent, its almost part of the script. Frightening what we have become. I think armed guards and anti terror measures at your family market kinda spoils the ambience does it not.
 
The Chinese seem to be dealing with their terror threat quite effectively. Meanwhile back in Europe, we have the usual annual Christmas mass murder attempt, it is so frequent, its almost part of the script. Frightening what we have become. I think armed guards and anti terror measures at your family market kinda spoils the ambience does it not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

He was detained by the police in Xinjiang in 2014 for reciting an Islamic verse at a funeral.

NO.
 
The Chinese seem to be dealing with their terror threat quite effectively.

They are doing petty horrific things in China to innocent Muslims, i don't know what world you are living with but it certainly isn't proving effective. The Chinese government don't like to let terrorism headlines fill the media but in recent years we have heard of attacks that kill 40+ people at one time.

Some people who take a Muslim vs non-Muslim view on the matter, China's actions seem justified but reality is that these extremists don't care for other people locked up in camps, they would be fighting their holy war regardless and the people locked up in these camps are just normal people trying to live their lives.

I'd like to know exactly what you think China are doing right and what it's achieving?
 
They are doing petty horrific things in China to innocent Muslims, i don't know what world you are living with but it certainly isn't proving effective. The Chinese government don't like to let terrorism headlines fill the media but in recent years we have heard of attacks that kill 40+ people at one time.

Some people who take a Muslim vs non-Muslim view on the matter, China's actions seem justified but reality is that these extremists don't care for other people locked up in camps, they would be fighting their holy war regardless and the people locked up in these camps are just normal people trying to live their lives.

I'd like to know exactly what you think China are doing right and what it's achieving?

China aren't short of people and aren't shy about violently crushing dissidents.

Much like the obsession with downplaying the risk the west faces by citing the current low statistical chance of falling fould of a religious terroist incident you have ignored the trajectory of the situation.

The Chinese simply put will not allow a religious 'fifth column' to firmly establish itself within their borders such that it may threaten the longstanding predominant culture of the wider region unlike the diversity obsessed Western ruling class.
 
China aren't short of people and aren't shy about violently crushing dissidents.

Much like the obsession with downplaying the risk the west faces by citing the current low statistical chance of falling fould of a religious terroist incident you have ignored the trajectory of the situation.

The Chinese simply put will not allow a religious 'fifth column' to firmly establish itself within their borders such that it may threaten the longstanding predominant culture of the wider region unlike the diversity obsessed Western ruling class.


Good post.
 
My point is that China has not been effective in combating terrorism and so the trade off of innocent lives - be them Muslim or not, is not worth it. Every time China goes a bit harder with its approach against Muslims, there seems to be a reactionary response by extremists.

You may count it as a goal scored for the non Muslims when innocents are put in work camps, but I don't.
 
You didn't mention the Trump campaign in your question...

Mullers remit is to look into:

  • The Russian government's efforts to interfere in the election


  • Under Obama's watch.
    [*]Any links or co-ordination between Russia and Trump campaign-linked individuals

    Why not Hillary. We have concrete links there!

    [*]Any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

The catch all and highly unconstitutional remit. It means they investigate people, not crimes.

I take it you've never listened to Dan Bongino then? I would recommend listening to a bit of Mark Levin too. He spells out the FEC "guilty" plea from Cohen. Even had the guy who helped write and enforce that FEC law and he confirmed that there was no FEC breach. Cohen plead something that isn't a crime.
 
My point is that China has not been effective in combating terrorism and so the trade off of innocent lives - be them Muslim or not, is not worth it. Every time China goes a bit harder with its approach against Muslims, there seems to be a reactionary response by extremists.

You may count it as a goal scored for the non Muslims when innocents are put in work camps, but I don't.

Ask yourself this question in hundred years time, at the current trajectory, which region is more likely to retain its current majority culture..

Chinese Han culture (currently massively dominant within the borders of China)

Or the largely now secular West European Judeo Christian culture which was heavily reformed by the enlightment in the 18th century (still the majority culture of said region)?


As I said China can easily afford to lose people. Life in general is rather 'cheaper' over there then in the west at the current time. The difference is the Han Chinese aren't wiling to cede any of their cureent territotial integrity (they are in fact doing quite the opposite and aggressively expanding it in places like Tibet)
 
Ask yourself this question in hundred years time, at the current trajectory, which region is more likely to retain its current majority culture..

Chinese Han culture (currently massively dominant within the borders of China)

Or the largely now secular West European Judeo Christian culture which was heavily reformed by the enlightment in the 18th century (still the majority culture of said region)?


As I said China can easily afford to lose people. Life in general is rather 'cheaper' over there then in the west at the current time. The difference is the Han Chinese aren't wiling to cede any of their cureent territotial integrity (they are in fact doing quite the opposite and aggressively expanding it in places like Tibet)

Lol at thinking cultures don't change over time, Han Chinese of yesteryear is nothing like the current crop. And no China cannot easily afford to lose people, their quick rise is probably going to become a quick fall if they can't figure out the elderly problem, which for a society that reveres the elderly, probably not going to be to the benefit of the youth.

Britain isn't currently a Celtic kingdom is it?
 
This excuse making and using "radicalised" as some form of weak sauce excuse is shocking. As if normal people are just going about their productive lives, and they are just "radicalised" out of the blue, like catching Flu or something. It has to stop.

China has the solution to dangerous, radical religious people, lock them up in camps, and then restrict their movement. That is what I would like to see. Either that, or just simple, permanent, deportation.

These types should really be snuffed out and meet their demise in "accidents" or Russian style disappearances, society really would benefit, and the rest of us can return to the Western way of life we had before these animals forced their way into Europe, and actually be able to visit a Christmas market with your family WITHOUT the risk of being shot or blown up. I dont think its too much to ask.

I'd be quite happy for anyone on a terror "watch-list" to be disappeared and never seen again, and so would many. The idea we even HAVE a list of people being watched in case they might start murdering our citizens is as bonkers as it sounds.

You might not like the concept of radicalisation but it adequately describes the process. It's not limited to Islamic extremists either, it applies to all extremists in the same way. Look at Thomas Mair and Darren Osbourne, for example. Both non-Muslim and very successfully radicalised into violent non-Islamic extremism.

The weak and disaffected will always be ripe for radicalisation, whatever the cause might be.

Edit:

Here's a good article discussing "routes to radicalisation", and specifically Darren Osbourne's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42886464

"In just a few weeks, Osborne went from a troubled, angry and unpredictably violent alcoholic to a killer who was fixated on the idea that Muslims in Britain were some kind of threat to the nation.

But the speed of that transformation is not unusual."
 
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Lol at thinking cultures don't change over time, Han Chinese of yesteryear is nothing like the current crop.

The Han culture of today can be seen as a progression of the Han culture of thousands of years ago. It may have changed and even been influenced by other cultures but its still Han cultures and has not been surplanted or replaced by something else

And no China cannot easily afford to lose people, their quick rise is probably going to become a quick fall if they can't figure out the elderly problem, which for a society that reveres the elderly, probably not going to be to the benefit of the youth.

The reality doesn't quite fit your narrative here does it? Millions of elderly left to fend for themselves with many commiting suicide.. .



Britain isn't currently a Celtic kingdom is it?

No its isnt currently in the main a celtic country because the waves of Roman (not that many) then anglo saxon (quite a lot) then Norman (again not so many) invaders that came in the last 2,000 years largely replaced /destroyed that culture.


Maybe you should take that as a cautionary tale for what happens to cultures that are subject to large in fluxes from other groups with sometimes rather aggressive ideas of their own?
 
The Han culture of today can be seen as a progression of the Han culture of thousands of years ago. It may have changed and even been influenced by other cultures but its still Han cultures and has not been surplanted or replaced by something else



The reality doesn't quite fit your narrative here does it? Millions of elderly left to fend for themselves with many commiting suicide.. .







No its isnt currently a celtic country because the waves of Roman (not that many) then anglo saxon (quite a lot) then Norman (again not so many) invaders that came in the last 2,000 years largely replaced /destroyed that culture.


Maybe you should take that as a cautionary tale for what happens to cultures that are subject to large in fluxes from other groups with sometimes rather aggressive ideas of thier own?

Or maybe we should realise that those very invasions pushed us to the sheer unequivocal wealth we gained from the world and in some ways gave back to it. All isolationist cultures either die or are invaded, simple as.
 
Cos Japan aren't one of the worlds technological and industrial leaders...

Was summarily slapped many times over by a better culture, a culture that inherently protected the ideals of immigration (until recently).

Currently still has several US bases in the country as a reminder.
 
Or maybe we should realise that those very invasions pushed us to the sheer unequivocal wealth we gained from the world and in some ways gave back to it. All isolationist cultures either die or are invaded, simple as.

"we" (if your are taking about the majority of the white British) are largely descended from thoose invading groups or celts that lost their own culture and assimilated with their invaders.

China is quite open to outside ideas and has been a lot more successful as a nation since it somewhat opened up as a country from being a 'hermit' nation suffering under self imposed isolation.

Non Isolationist country =/= a country that has mass migration.
 
Was summarily slapped many times over by a better culture, a culture that inherently protected the ideals of immigration (until recently).

Currently still has several US bases in the country as a reminder.

And yet their culture and way of life remain unique.
 
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