Hacker group releases '9/11 Papers', says future leaks will 'burn down' US deep state

Mulder said:
Lots, but see here if you want examples from those better qualified than me.

My favourite though is that the infernos were hot enough to melt steel, yet a passport (of one of the terrorists, no less :D) was found near the scene. Even the Guardian in the UK couldn't hide their disbelief at that.

The problem is many people are unwilling to believe anything that isn't the official story. Unless you're in Germany, where lots of people don't believe the official version.

Many in the US refuse/d to believe their own Government would plan to kill its own citizens, then operation Northwoods was made public some 30+ years later.
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You’ve provided nothing other than a link to a conspiraloon sure, check out the other site posted that decbunks the standard CT stuff re: 911.

What is suspicious about a passport being found? That is something they’d have on them in order to board a plane and they were there...

Is it suspicious because in your mind everything should be vaporised instantly?
 
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Mulder said:
Lots, but see here if you want examples from those better qualified than me.

My favourite though is that the infernos were hot enough to melt steel, yet a passport (of one of the terrorists, no less :D) was found near the scene. Even the Guardian in the UK couldn't hide their disbelief at that.

The problem is many people are unwilling to believe anything that isn't the official story. Unless you're in Germany, where lots of people don't believe the official version.

Many in the US refuse/d to believe their own Government would plan to kill its own citizens, then operation Northwoods was made public some 30+ years later.
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Seriously, get a clue and read up on some actual aircraft accident reports that aren't CT nutcase sites, or videos.
Even just watching some news videos of various aircraft accident sites will show you things like the aircraft itself burned but papers and stuff blown away from it (oddly books and magazines don't burn that easily* as the surface area of the bound items is small compared to the volume, add in things like leather bindings** etc...)
Things like paper products get thrown/blown by the thermals, also the STEEL DID NOT MELT at least not initially, all the fire had to do was get it hot enough to remove a significant portion of it's strength (or not that significant given the damage the aircraft did to the structure would already have increased the stresses and loading on the remaining frame)..
IIRC Steel loses something like 25-50% of it's structural strength at heats you can get from a gas cooker, or a well built bonfire/BBQ - this isn't some arcane and unknown of knowledge, this is stuff that has been exploited for literally thousands of years by those Derp Stoat Blacksmiths and metal workers, and something you too can demonstrate with about £5 worth of common household items and some junk steel.


*Ever tried burning old magazines or stacks of paper?
Unless you rip them up/break them apart they tend to burn quite slowly (IIRC some places compress old shredded paper into "bricks" for heating materials).

**Leather is fairly good at protecting from heat, and more importantly reducing the the oxygen reaching whatever is bound.

***It's possible, even probable that there may have been parts of the fire that after the collapse reached high enough temps to do the job in place if the rubble funnelled the air right (look at how traditional forges/smelters work).
 
Housey said:
This thread has gone as expected. Conspiracy theorists are not worth your time 99% of the time as they are blind to facts. You can’t refute anything as even when Neil Armstrong tells them “well I was on the moon” they, from their bedroom will call him a government insider.
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Ah, but if you spell Neil A backwards....:D
 
Love the reactions. "Conspiraloons", "get a clue", using CAPS, it's almost like you're angry!

Let's assume the passport is legit, there's no mention of my other points - the 3,000+ engineers/architects disputing the official story, the opinion polls in Germany, the proof of Government involvement in previously planned false flag ops.

Then there's building #7. See the 30 second clip below. It's just video footage, no sound/commentary/agenda.


No plane hit building #7. The official story is falling debris from the twin towers ignited fires, which caused the above collapse. Yes, really. If you believe the official story, you believe that.
 
Mulder said:
No plane hit building #7. The official story is falling debris from the twin towers ignited fires, which caused the above collapse. Yes, really. If you believe the official story, you believe that.
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OK so what is the alternative - are you able to make some argument here?
 
dowie said:
OK so what is the alternative - are you able to make some argument here?
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My argument is the official story is rubbish. You asked me originally what was wrong with it, so I'm providing some examples.

I never said I have all the answers, I just said that in time the official story will go the way of cigarettes being healthy, the earth being flat, thalidomide being good for pregnant mothers etc. Universally accepted as truth in their time, and then ridiculed with the benefit of hindsight.
 
Mulder said:
My argument is the official story is rubbish. You asked me originally what was wrong with it, so I'm providing some examples.
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Why is it rubbish? What is wrong with the current account of why the building collapsed? What evidence do you have for an alternative explanation?

Are you able to put forth any arguments at all or will you just link to a video?

It does seem that people who believe in this CT stuff are incapable of just laying out a coherent argument as has already been seen with the poster on the previous pages and whatever he was waffling about XX trillion dollars offshore etc...

I never said I have all the answers, I just said that in time the official story will go the way of cigarettes being healthy, the earth being flat, thalidomide being good for pregnant mothers etc. Universally accepted as truth in their time, and then ridiculed with the benefit of hindsight.
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Why?
 
Ahh yes the thread did go to 9/11 debate.

I think reading the official reports about 9/11 is an eye opening experience no matter which side of the fence you sit.
 
Mulder said:
My argument is the official story is rubbish. You asked me originally what was wrong with it, so I'm providing some examples.

I never said I have all the answers, I just said that in time the official story will go the way of cigarettes being healthy, the earth being flat, thalidomide being good for pregnant mothers etc. Universally accepted as truth in their time, and then ridiculed with the benefit of hindsight.
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You don't have an argument. You have a set of regurgitated opinions born of ignorance of science and stupidity.
I've already shot down 3 of the most common myths in this thread alone.
 
Mulder said:
My argument is the official story is rubbish. You asked me originally what was wrong with it, so I'm providing some examples.

I never said I have all the answers, I just said that in time the official story will go the way of cigarettes being healthy, the earth being flat, thalidomide being good for pregnant mothers etc. Universally accepted as truth in their time, and then ridiculed with the benefit of hindsight.
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I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS OR ANY KNOWLEDGE OF EVENTS OR EVEN BASIC SCIENCE AND REVIEW BODIES BUT I CAN CATEGORICALLY SAY THAT THE OFFICIAL REPORT - WHICH I HAVE NOT READ - IS RUBBISH.

You go, champ!
 
Mulder said:
Love the reactions. "Conspiraloons", "get a clue", using CAPS, it's almost like you're angry!

Let's assume the passport is legit, there's no mention of my other points - the 3,000+ engineers/architects disputing the official story, the opinion polls in Germany, the proof of Government involvement in previously planned false flag ops.

Then there's building #7. See the 30 second clip below. It's just video footage, no sound/commentary/agenda.


No plane hit building #7. The official story is falling debris from the twin towers ignited fires, which caused the above collapse. Yes, really. If you believe the official story, you believe that.
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The caps are because it gets really tiring trying to get basic facts into CT's, and to emphasise them.

Building 7 was hit by debris, IIRC there were debris from the main towers falling over quite a large area, and they found bits of debris from the plane quite a distance away as well, as despite what it looks like on 2d blurry CT video the actual area in which the debris fell was pretty large, and some bits travelled a long way. There are from memory plenty of pictures of the building with what is basically one of the corners missing/crushed which is not something you get from explosives, holographic missiles, nanatermites, magical pixies but you do get from say, having a large chunk of something hit it from above.
Now that creates a fair bit of kinetic energy to be dispersed when it hits something (especially if it's falling from a few hundred feet up), add to that the fact that the debris was in some cases on fire and you've got a great chance of something being set on fire, especially if the roof of the building that then caught fire had anything flamable on it, like say common materials used for flat roofs, even before you consider that a chunk of material weighing even just a a few tens of kilo's is likely to break through most building roofs if dropped from any height (as one of the oddities of building construction is that roofs are typically not that strong to large down forces in small areas).

Now consider what happens when you have a fire that is uncontrolled/cannot be fought because there is no water* (or simply most of the local firecrews are dead/disorientated and in no state to fight complicated fires), and you'll see buildings collapse due to fires that would normally have been nothing special.
It even happens to *gasp* steel framed buildings - just not that often as it's rare for the fire to not be fought, unless you know, you've got no usable water, many of your firefighters are exhausted, in shock and grieving for the loss of their friends, and there is no one left in the building to save (so zero reason to risk the lives of firefighters when it's just property).

*IIRC the fall of the WTC towers basically destroyed the water supply for the immediate area (as from memory it fractured the water mains that were near by, leading to a massive loss in pressure).
 
How strange, this has just popped up on my YouTube recommended list despite me not having watched a single 9/11 video. Did YouTube know that I've opened this thread which does have a few 9/11 videos embedded? I haven't played any though. Now that's a conspiracy.

 
I once spent 3.5h next to a chap who had just returned from a 9/11 Convention in the states, it was a very long journey.
 
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