Should a 97 year old man be driving on a public road?

I heard on the radio that he was caught on a public road without a seatbelt.

Why are you going in on me so hard?

:confused:

You made assumptions and judged a person guilty based on no evidence and you're trying to portray me as the bad guy for reasonably asking the relevant questions.

You're making yourself look bad by trying to make me look bad.
 
You made assumptions and judged a person guilty based on no evidence and you're trying to portray me as the bad guy for reasonably asking the relevant questions.

You're making yourself look bad by trying to make me look bad.

What are you going on about?

The report I heard was that he was caught on a public road without a seatbelt, and it’s based on this that I wondered if he was fined.

You’re the one making the assumptions.
 
One assumes that the 97 year old man was wearing a seat-belt when he pulled out in front of an oncoming car and turned over his Land Rover - or he would have been more seriously injured. Presumably his declining mental faculties and belief in faeries told him that "lightning never strikes twice" so a seat-belt was no longer called for.

Whatever, he should not be allowed on any public road again.
 
Somebody took a photograph of him with zero context and the Police had a word with him based on the 'evidence'.

Ok, I was just going on what I heard on the radio.

One assumes that the 97 year old man was wearing a seat-belt when he pulled out in front of an oncoming car and turned over his Land Rover - or he would have been more seriously injured. Presumably his declining mental faculties and belief in faeries told him that "lightning never strikes twice" so a seat-belt was no longer called for.

Whatever, he should not be allowed on any public road again.

It wasn’t the crash that was questioning him wearing a seatbelt it was a day or two after the crash.
 
What are you smoking :)

I have never been in a motorised incident where I would have needed the seatbelt that I'm wearing and I'm pretty sure that many people on here can also make the same claim.
Not once have I crashed into another car or has a car crashed into me and once again many people will also say the same.

What are you on about knocking down cyclists for?
I have no idea what's going through your head!

On the other side of the coin I'm a commuting cyclist who has always worn a helmet and on at least 5 occasions it has saved me from a serious head injury or even death but I know many cyclists who have ridden for decades and never needed to wear a helmet.
I’ll take you out in my car and brake hard.
 
I have never been in a motorised incident where I would have needed the seatbelt that I'm wearing and I'm pretty sure that many people on here can also make the same claim.
Not once have I crashed into another car or has a car crashed into me and once again many people will also say the same.

What are you on about knocking down cyclists for?
I have no idea what's going through your head!

On the other side of the coin I'm a commuting cyclist who has always worn a helmet and on at least 5 occasions it has saved me from a serious head injury or even death but I know many cyclists who have ridden for decades and never needed to wear a helmet.

Your last paragraph kind of underlines the safety issue, safety devices such as seatbelts, airbags, crash helmets etc etc are wholly unnecessary until the point where you need them!

Also, don’t tempt fate! :D
 
Your last paragraph kind of underlines the safety issue, safety devices such as seatbelts, airbags, crash helmets etc etc are wholly unnecessary until the point where you need them!

Also, don’t tempt fate! :D


What are the current regulations re LGV seat belts? My 18 tonner Mercedes does not have them, it's a converted artic tractor unit with an extended chassis and a huge box with a two stage tail lift to take 4 race cars. It's due a test soon, I assume on age it doesn't need belts? What about full size buses and coaches, do the drivers have to wear belts? I am of the personal opinion that many people have survived horrendous accidents due to NOT wearing a seat belt, but possibly not as many who have been saved by a seat belt. Some are of the opinion that vehicles with a full compliment of modern air bags make seat belts debatable as they themselves can cause internal injuries.
 
What are the current regulations re LGV seat belts? My 18 tonner Mercedes does not have them, it's a converted artic tractor unit with an extended chassis and a huge box with a two stage tail lift to take 4 race cars. It's due a test soon, I assume on age it doesn't need belts? What about full size buses and coaches, do the drivers have to wear belts? I am of the personal opinion that many people have survived horrendous accidents due to NOT wearing a seat belt, but possibly not as many who have been saved by a seat belt. Some are of the opinion that vehicles with a full compliment of modern air bags make seat belts debatable as they themselves can cause internal injuries.
I’d guess it’s exempt due to age (how old is it?) I would certainly consider getting one retro fitted, the mountings will almost certainly be there, in a roll over, the seatbelt is what prevents you being thrown out of the cab and then being crushed by it.

I lost a mate a few years back due to this, his mistake was not wearing his.
 
I’ll take you out in my car and brake hard.

Well, yes,

It is certainly possible to create an emergency, and even potentially life threatening, situation by deliberately driving like an utter tool.;)

But dont you think that making an effort to actually drive safely might be a better way of managing day to day risk on the public highway?

:p

Your last paragraph kind of underlines the safety issue, safety devices such as seatbelts, airbags, crash helmets etc etc are wholly unnecessary until the point where you need them!

Sure, but surely the best way of not needing them is to not put yourself in a position where you might need them in the first place?

In my experience of, oh, 500,000 miles of accident free, white van, urban environment, driving, I have never had to make use in anger of any of these safety systems (Not even the brakes).

Also, don’t tempt fate! :D
(Erm , Yes, which is why I always feel uncomfortable in these threads :()

While accidents are mostly instigated by somebody doing something daft, It is my observation that it is mostly the other people who willfully refuse to take action to mitigate the situation that actually turn somebody elses mistake into an accident. This should not be considered acceptable.

That's is why I have always said that all accident investigations should start out with a presumption of it being 50/50 and then should go on from there.

And yes, if we have a situation where driver #A attempted to carry out an ill advised over take and driver #B ended up crashing into him because he didn't take appropriate mitigating action just because "Right of way" then yes, it is Driver #B who is mostly responsible for the collision.
 
It's quite old, but I'll have a look if factory mounts are there, cheers.
Make sure you do, I never understood why some older trucks didn’t have them.

Is it an 817 by any chance? - I drove one years back and it was a great peice of kit (unlike today’s Mercedes truck crap - they look the part but that’s where it ends alas)

Can’t understand how MB have gone from the pinnacle of trucks to the pits, such a shame.
 
I’ll take you out in my car and brake hard.

You're missing the point.
Even though I've worn a seatbelt all my life (*) I've never been in a car that has braked hard forcing me towards the dashboard and I've been in with some mad motorists.
I could easily do my own braking hard to force me into my seatbelt.

* They might not have had them in 1958
 
Your last paragraph kind of underlines the safety issue, safety devices such as seatbelts, airbags, crash helmets etc etc are wholly unnecessary until the point where you need them!

Also, don’t tempt fate! :D

I just want to re-iterate that I have always worn a seatbelt since before I took my test in 1975 so nobody else gets the wrong idea.
The point is I've never needed it and yes I'm tempting fate but I'm doing a lot of touching wood.
I would never get in a motorised vehicle without putting one on if there is one to put on (some coaches in Europe & Africa didn't have them).
I would also never get on my cycle without a helmet and a mirror, yes a mirror, one of the best safety aids IMHO (my problems make it so I can't turn around like other people).
 
You're missing the point.
he was joking,

as was I , with the comment about you knocking down cyclists, ... because you didn't want to brake (your duck)


The emergency braking I am talking about is more, cases at a roundabout, maybe every couple of years where someone surprises you shooting around the roundabout faster than you expect and the the seatbelt just locks as you stop ... as you say, you've never had that.
 
You're missing the point.
Even though I've worn a seatbelt all my life (*) I've never been in a car that has braked hard forcing me towards the dashboard and I've been in with some mad motorists.
I could easily do my own braking hard to force me into my seatbelt.

* They might not have had them in 1958
Bet you’ve not been in my car doing an imdicated 210mph when I stamp on the middle pedal as hard as I can. You’d be Munich when I’m still in Berlin without your seatbelt.

Smash yer face in on my dash! We could video it. It would be ace!
 
The emergency braking I am talking about is more, cases at a roundabout, maybe every couple of years where someone surprises you shooting around the roundabout faster than you expect and the the seatbelt just locks as you stop ... as you say, you've never had that.

I've had 6 cars since 1975 and they've always been crap cars that I haven't been able to be a boy racer and go at speed.
I've always taken my time and drove like an old man so I haven't needed to brake hard at a roundabout.
I've made many mistakes and will still continue to do so but none have involved me stamping on the brake hard.

Touch wood again.
 
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I've always taken my time and drove (sic) like an old man so I haven't needed to brake hard at a roundabout.
I've made many mistakes and will still continue to do so but none have involved me stamping on the brake hard.
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I wonder how many accidents old men have caused by coasting up to roundabouts and generally crawling along with a tailback behind them?
 
I wonder how many accidents old men have caused by coasting up to roundabouts and generally crawling along with a tailback behind them?

You are weird, are you trying to say that's what I do :)
How did you get that from what I wrote?
Just because I said I drive like an old man that means I still approach roundabouts at the correct speed and I'll enter into them correctly, what I don't do is drive like a boy racer.
Grow up.
 
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