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Radeon VII a win or fail?

bru said:
Why are people arguing about the price and if it is cheaper than a RTX2080.

Look at this very site (because talking about others is against the forum policy)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,299.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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Case closed.

Does this make the Radeon V11 and bad card, no not at all, its price in relation to its competition is at present one of the much lesser issues that it faces, noise level, power draw, driver reliability, performance. All these come before the price issues, in my opinion.

Its good to see AMD competing, but they should have waited and polished the product before launching it.:)
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Sorry but the Ventus is using the cheap TU104-400-A1 which doesn't clock that well compared to other RTX2080 cards based on the TU104-400A-A1.

And all the RTX2080s on the reviews compared to VII were based on the TU104-400A-A1.
 
bru said:
Why are people arguing about the price and if it is cheaper than a RTX2080.

Look at this very site (because talking about others is against the forum policy)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,299.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
​

Case closed.

Does this make the Radeon V11 and bad card, no not at all, its price in relation to its competition is at present one of the much lesser issues that it faces, noise level, power draw, driver reliability, performance. All these come before the price issues, in my opinion.

Its good to see AMD competing, but they should have waited and polished the product before launching it.:)
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More games with the Radeon and a better bundle.

By the comment on the owners thread, an undervolt makes a massive difference.
 
Win, it's keeps AMD relevant in performance, they should have produced an 8GB card as well tbh but I understand there a probably good technical reason why they didn't (its basically a gimped MI50)

I probably won't be buying as I really don't need the performance but I'd certainly buy one over any Nvidia card, until have a change of direction (probably CEO) they're not getting a single penny of my money.
 
Makes me laugh reading these type of threads, amd fanboys are always putting down people with nvidia cards and vica versa, makes me chuckle every time lol is the card in question a bad card? no, well I think its ok performance wise but is it as good as a 2080? NO lol

Going by the prices I would pick a 2080 over it every day of the week, not because im a nvidia fanboy but because it offers more at a (slightly) cheaper price,then you have the power draw, noisy fans etc etc.

If you are into editing videos at high resolutions then yes it may be a better buy, but for gaming it just isn't.

Not a fanboy at all here, but green team wins hahahaha :) ;)
 
Nvidia is a fail for me on pricing, they are gouging the PC market and if they were able to carry on unencumbered by competition then I honestly think they end up killing their own market, constantly jacking up prices to fix the gap in the falling demand.

I'm not a fanboy but I'm not going to support any company that basically just takes the **** out of their customers
 
Panos said:
Sorry but the Ventus is using the cheap TU104-400-A1 which doesn't clock that well compared to other RTX2080 cards based on the TU104-400A-A1.

And all the RTX2080s on the reviews compared to VII were based on the TU104-400A-A1.
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Yes this is true, their are two grades of core in the 2080 lineup.
Unfortunately this doesn't make a difference to the point in question, is it cheaper, yes or no?
The evidence is clear, the 2080 is cheaper on OCUK.
 
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HEADRAT said:
Nvidia is a fail for me on pricing, they are gouging the PC market and if they were able to carry on unencumbered by competition then I honestly think they end up killing their own market, constantly jacking up prices to fix the gap in the falling demand.

I'm not a fanboy but I'm not going to support any company that basically just takes the **** out of their customers
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And yet we seem happy to continue to support the retailers and thus the suppliers and manufacturers gouging.

A grand for a GPU is not great, but there is no reason for any of the cards to be in the 1400-1500+ range.

Buying a cheaper card from a gouging manufacturer or retailer isn’t any better really. You are still supporting them.
 
i thnk what does it for me on both the 2080 and the radeon 7 (instinct card) is the overall performance, 2 year old performance in a £650+ card is a bit of a joke. yes the rtx has dlss and ray tracing but outside of A limited set of tests does it make any difference yet. as for the radeon if it was £100 cheaper then sure would be a nice kick up nvidias backside but alas they have just matched the 2080 in price and performance and are off loading failed instinct cards it seems.

i know i want the world but come on, justifying it as a great thing because it matches a 2080 in performance with the promise of driver maturity is a joke especially when its 2 year old performance. amd really need to make up their mind what they are playing at with this high end cards, either go for it or just stick to low and middle tier stuff which they where doing ok at and getting some market share. yes id love amd to release a 2080ti beater but i get the feeling after this that it would also be 2080ti money which many on here will applaud while trying to justify the prices that seem only able to go one way of late.
 
Vote with your wallets folks. GPU prices are simply pushing me towards budget PCs for general usage with a separate next gen console for gaming on the sitting room OLED.
 
Personally I dodnt see it as a big fail as a product, I think the reasons for the negativity is people expected AMD to become a charity on their GPU's and undercut nvidia by 100s of pounds, which I said before wasnt going to happen, they would just play the same game as nvidia.

The under supply I think is a joke tho, I dont think for one minute AMD legit think they would struggle to sell more than 200 units in the UK.

It would seem the 5000 first batch rumour probably had some truth to it.
 
chrcoluk said:
Personally I dodnt see it as a big fail as a product, I think the reasons for the negativity is people expected AMD to become a charity on their GPU's and undercut nvidia by 100s of pounds, which I said before wasnt going to happen, they would just play the same game as nvidia.

The under supply I think is a joke tho, I dont think for one minute AMD legit think they would struggle to sell more than 200 units in the UK.

It would seem the 5000 first batch rumour probably had some truth to it.
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I think the fail is that it's the same price / performance as a 2 year old product. How's that for progress?

Nobody expects charitable pricing. They expect advancement.
 
chrcoluk said:
Personally I dodnt see it as a big fail as a product, I think the reasons for the negativity is people expected AMD to become a charity on their GPU's and undercut nvidia by 100s of pounds, which I said before wasnt going to happen, they would just play the same game as nvidia.

The under supply I think is a joke tho, I dont think for one minute AMD legit think they would struggle to sell more than 200 units in the UK.

It would seem the 5000 first batch rumour probably had some truth to it.
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Not sure on the charity part but any company introducing a new product to a market can’t simply provide something slightly worse and slightly more expensive than the competition and expect it sell. It has to offer something new To differentiate it from the existing products that are already doing the same thing.
 
HEADRAT said:
Nvidia is a fail for me on pricing, they are gouging the PC market and if they were able to carry on unencumbered by competition then I honestly think they end up killing their own market, constantly jacking up prices to fix the gap in the falling demand.

I'm not a fanboy but I'm not going to support any company that basically just takes the **** out of their customers
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AMD's doing the same thing though with pricing.
Vega 64 launch pricing was terrible as well bar the first orders.
 
Participant said:
I think the fail is that it's the same price / performance as a 2 year old product. How's that for progress?
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So, exactly the same as RTX then.

Participant said:
Nobody expects charitable pricing. They expect advancement.
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Then people should also learn to temper those expectations. If anybody has the slightest idea of who AMD are as a company then they would know they're coming back from a very long and very damaging financial situation, and frankly getting the Radeon 7 out at all was a small miracle. You can't just bang out competition-beating architecture overnight with zero money, so if people were expecting a game-changing product from a respun existing architecture repurposed from a datacenter compute card then frankly they're idiots and the disappointment is of their own making.

If you don't know who AMD are as a company and where they've come from, they've just dropped a card out of the blue that matches the RTX 2080, which is not a 2 year old product.
 
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