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Shouldn't laptops be taking over now?
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Ah, you're one of those people who tries to be condescending on forums. That makes sense
Why does my desktop Vega 64 have such a massive triple heatsink and fan when a simple bit of different thermal paste, undervolting and overclocking it a bit would have been cheaper and just as good? Surely if what you say is true then AMD could simply have done that and whacked it in any laptop?
** yes I know the V64 can actually run faster on slightly lower volts
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Feel free how to demonstrate the equivalent desktop, 144Hz IPS, and hour long UPS, would not cost more?
Ah, you're one of those people who tries to be condescending on forums. That makes sense
Why does my desktop Vega 64 have such a massive triple heatsink and fan when a simple bit of different thermal paste, undervolting and overclocking it a bit would have been cheaper and just as good? Surely if what you say is true then AMD could simply have done that and whacked it in any laptop?
** yes I know the V64 can actually run faster on slightly lower volts
I'm sorry you find demonstrable facts condescending, maybe you should check why it makes you feel that way.
Did you think to ask yourself why there is no Vega 64 in a laptop prior to posting?
Laptop vs desktop - price vs price, not really. 2080Ti performance or better for the same or less cost in a mobile form factor.
considering you've under estimated the price of that laptop by quite a margin indeed
so yes. easily demonstrable. if you'd like me to of course
please don't now move the goal posts and say "oh but it isn't portable"
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considering you've under estimated the price of that laptop by quite a margin indeed
so yes. easily demonstrable. if you'd like me to of course
please don't now move the goal posts and say "oh but it isn't portable"
With 7K posts I would have thought you'd be familiar with the forum rules.
When I originally specced up a similar machine (a few months back) I matched the specs on a UK based system integrator, aside from the CPU which I selected the 8086K, so I may be a few hundred out due the price difference between an 8086K and the 9900K, also I chose 16GB DDR4 2666 (overclockable to 3000) as there is such limited demonstrable difference in gaming (and therefore, in firestrike benchmark).
Is there a reason other than the obvious price hike to include to 1TB NVMe drives, when the one listed previously only had a 480GB SATA SSD?
I notice you do not offer the equivalent desktop price either, isn't that what this thread is about?
i'm very familiar, thank you for your condescension. now that you've seen the source for yourself, i'd happily remove the link. (not that ocuk sells clevo rebrands anyway - happy to be proved wrong on that though
)my bad. lol. i thought i saw a double 1tb nvme last night
as you wish.
not quite a direct comparison as there isn't a 17.3 inch 1080p 144hz ips desktop equivalent. so 27 inch 1440p 165hz ips panel will have to do instead.
also 1080 is eol - so 2x 2070 will have to do instead too
2x 1tb nvme ssds for fairness (my bad)
matx case
980w ups
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - OEM= £499.99
- 2 x Zotac GeForce RTX 2070 Mini 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £458.99
- 1 x Antec HCG Gold 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply= £102.95
- 2 x Samsung 970 EVO Polaris 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £199.99
- 2 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD432G3= £188.99
- 1 x Fractal Design Meshify C Mini Dark TG Micro-ATX Case - Black= £84.95
- 1 x be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler= £73.99
- 1 x AOC AGON AG271QG 27" 2560 x 1440 IPS G-Sync 165Hz Gaming Widescreen LED Monitor - Black/Red= £548.99
- 1 x Corsair Gaming K55 + HARPOON RGB Gaming Keyboard and Mouse Combo= £74.99
- 1 x Creative SoundblasterX Kratos S5 2.1 RGB Gaming Speaker System (51MF0470AA002)= £99.95
- 1 x APC Smart-UPS 1500VA LCD 980W UPS (SMT1500I)= £579.95
- 1 x EVGA 2 way Pro HB SLI bridge (2 slot gap)= £24.95
- 1 x MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC (Socket 1151) DDR4 MATX Motherboard= £163.00
Total: £3,988.71 (includes shipping: £39.06)
i'm very familiar, thank you for your condescension. now that you've seen the source for yourself, i'd happily remove the link. (not that ocuk sells clevo rebrands anyway - happy to be proved wrong on that though
my bad. lol. i thought i saw a double 1tb nvme last night
as you wish.
not quite a direct comparison as there isn't a 17.3 inch 1080p 144hz ips desktop equivalent. so 27 inch 1440p 165hz ips panel will have to do instead.
also 1080 is eol - so 2x 2070 will have to do instead too
2x 1tb nvme ssds for fairness (my bad)
matx case
980w ups
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - OEM= £499.99
- 2 x Zotac GeForce RTX 2070 Mini 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £458.99
- 1 x Antec HCG Gold 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply= £102.95
- 2 x Samsung 970 EVO Polaris 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £199.99
- 2 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD432G3= £188.99
- 1 x Fractal Design Meshify C Mini Dark TG Micro-ATX Case - Black= £84.95
- 1 x be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler= £73.99
- 1 x AOC AGON AG271QG 27" 2560 x 1440 IPS G-Sync 165Hz Gaming Widescreen LED Monitor - Black/Red= £548.99
- 1 x Corsair Gaming K55 + HARPOON RGB Gaming Keyboard and Mouse Combo= £74.99
- 1 x Creative SoundblasterX Kratos S5 2.1 RGB Gaming Speaker System (51MF0470AA002)= £99.95
- 1 x APC Smart-UPS 1500VA LCD 980W UPS (SMT1500I)= £579.95
- 1 x EVGA 2 way Pro HB SLI bridge (2 slot gap)= £24.95
- 1 x MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC (Socket 1151) DDR4 MATX Motherboard= £163.00
Total: £3,988.71 (includes shipping: £39.06)
Why are you showing components to compare to a prebuilt laptop?
What is the runtime of the UPS if the PC is being used for gaming?
Why are you including 2070s when the laptop has 1080s?
If you think you can match the specs and price with a prebuilt, a UPS that will run the PC at full tilt for a minimum of 40 minutes, and a 144Hz display for a similar price, feel free to demonstrate.
because it's so hard to build a desktop. note to self. enthusiast forumer can't build desktop.
i know you don't know, but i'll let you on to a secret: OCUK can do custom prebuilds and warranty them as a full system for 3 years for ~£100
it's kinda in the name you know. 980w.
if 980w is being used per hour, on a 980w UPS, guess what's the run time? shock horror! 1 hour!
and besides, your 'precious' clevo can only do it for ~47mins. and that's with a 8700k, never mind a 9900k lol
(sauce: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...op-Review.274230.0.html#toc-energy-management)
if you haven't already heard, 1080 is EOL and has been for the last 5-6 months. and besides, 2070 is better performing, and less power hungry than 1080s. and also slots into the same price bracket as the 1080 (grumble grumble...nvidia...fleecing...lube at the ready...no competition
)so what's your point again? i picked a better performing, and more power efficient card!?
actually a lot more, as you haven't selected the correct bios, nor have you selected gsync. and as you haven't shown the PSU, probably not selected the correct psu either.
good job for selecting el-cheapo 64gb 2666 ram too.
and dropping the 2x1tb nvme for a bog standard ssd yields an extra £400 for the desktop equivalent too
[edit] just fyi, you also haven't paid VAT. so please add on 20% to your figures
nice try indeed.
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because it's so hard to build a desktop. note to self. enthusiast forumer can't build desktop.
i know you don't know, but i'll let you on to a secret: OCUK can do custom prebuilds and warranty them as a full system for 3 years for ~£100
That is not demonstrating.
Feel free to use a UPS calculator to explain how you will manage more than 8 minutes with this UPS at 980w? [shakes head]
if you haven't already heard, 1080 is EOL and has been for the last 5-6 months. and besides, 2070 is better performing, and less power hungry than 1080s.
so what's your point again? i picked a better performing, and more power efficient card!?
So you intentionally avoided a like for like comparison and chose a cheaper card to suit the narrative you are trying to push?
actually a lot more, as you haven't selected the correct bios, nor have you selected gsync. and as you haven't shown the PSU, probably not selected the correct psu either.
good job for selecting el-cheapo 64gb 2666 ram too.
and dropping the 2x1tb nvme for a bog standard ssd yields an extra £400 for the desktop equivalent too
nice try indeed.
Unlocked BIOS are free, no need to pay for it.
Like stated previously for the sake of performance in gaming the amount/speed of RAM makes little difference. But this 2666 can be OC'd to 3000.
You mean matching the specs of the laptop I original demonstrated, why are you even mentioning this?
I see you have still failed to present evidence to support your claim.
just an aside, but...holy ****! have you seen the size of the 780w PSU for that clevo! OMG
24 x 11 x 4 cm!
How much bigger than the UPS you listed is that?
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Why did you change my quote? strange thing to do. Anyway, does one example of a laptop being cheaper than a desktop with an overpriced gouged to hell and back GPU change the answer to the original questions?
- Should we now start to see laptops take precedent over desktops?
- Performance in a portable package is always going to be a winner no?
is it not? a full build by ocuk is not demonstrating?
shows how many times i've used a UPS on anything LOL
*shakes head indeed*probably missed my [edit] but there you go, for completion.
feel free to re-read. less the bios and the ram if it makes you feel happier. (although the ram in your 3dmark linked laptop costs ~£100 more)actually a lot more, as you haven't selected the correct bios, nor have you selected gsync. and as you haven't shown the PSU, probably not selected the correct psu either.
good job for selecting el-cheapo 64gb 2666 ram too.
and dropping the 2x1tb nvme for a bog standard ssd yields an extra £400 for the desktop equivalent too
[edit] just fyi, you also haven't paid VAT. so please add on 20% to your figures
nice try indeed.
is it not? a full build by ocuk is not demonstrating?
shows how many times i've used a UPS on anything LOL
probably missed my [edit] but there you go, for completion.
feel free to re-read. less the bios and the ram if it makes you feel happier. (although the ram in your 3dmark linked laptop costs ~£100 more)
Do you think posting your opinion in a forum is demonstrating?
Do you understand how to evidence a claim?
Whilst you are using an US company to configure why would VAT be applicable?
Unless you want to use a UK based company to demonstrate your claim, maybe one that doesn't charge £183 for 512GB SATA SSD like the US based integrator you chose?
However, let's make this a lot simpler for you feel free to price beat my laptop, with a 22,669 firestrike score : https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18473199
Total cost should be £130 less for the 5TB external drive I ordered at the same time.
It's fine if you try to be condescending. It's water off a ducks back to me. I'm used to dealing with people like that in real life.
Yes I did consider why you don't see a Vega 64 (or NV equivalent) in a laptop; thermal and power challenges. Which is of course the exact point I was making.
That AMD GPUs are not efficient with power and thermals? You are aware that Nvidia equivalent GPUs (that'd be a 1080) are used in notebooks?
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-64/3603vs3933
because you have to pay vat on import? duh. unless you want to book a flight to the usa and collect it of course.
errr...i've posted a build, and told you that ocuk will build and warranty the build. it's your pig-headedness that doesn't want to accept that fact. not opinion, i'm afraid.
ok why not change the goal posts again then, now that i've proven that the beast of the clevo is much more expensive than a desktop equivalent
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 1 x AOC AGON AG241QG 24" 2560 x 1440 TN G-Sync 165Hz Widescreen LED Multimedia Monitor - Black/Red= £399.95
- 1 x Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - OEM= £409.99
- 1 x Gigabyte Z390 M Gaming Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard= £129.95
- 1 x Palit GeForce RTX 2080 Dual 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £638.99
- 1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £89.99
- 1 x Seasonic Focus Plus 550W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply= £74.99
- 1 x Samsung 970 EVO Polaris 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £199.99
- 1 x CoolerMaster MasterBox Q300L Micro-ATX Case - Black Window= £44.99
- 1 x Alpenfohn Atlas - 200W TDP Premium Twin Heatsink CPU Cooler= £39.95
- 1 x APC Back-UPS Pro 900VA 230V USB/Serial (BR900GI)= £219.95
- 1 x Corsair Gaming K55 + HARPOON RGB Gaming Keyboard and Mouse Combo= £74.99
- 1 x Creative Inspire A250 2.1 Speaker System - (51MF0420AA004)= £29.99
Total: £2,353.72 (includes shipping: £0.00)
[edit]: hot damn, actually thinking about it. that lappie for £2600 isn't a bad deal...if one needed a laptop...it's an extra £600 for the portability you pay for, though.
actually, it looks like the 980w 1500va ups linked in the original spec could run the computer for ~1h
i would link the page, but it is the rainforest, and they have a competing product
he's right you know?
vega isn't power efficient
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Most 1080 laptops use the lower power version (which is no longer nVidia current generation).
A few laptops do use the non-mobile version which approaches 90% of the non overclocked 1080 desktop power if the thermal headroom is there. But they are only in the large and heavy laptops. They are are not exactly the sort of thing most people would consider using as a portable machine and it is using NV's older chipset.
tbh, i think we need to agree to disagree. there's a time and place for everything, gaming 'laptops' included. in inverted commas because it'll never be on one's lap. lol.
some people may like the relative portability a gaming laptop offers over its desktop counterpart, and prefer that they've only have one system rather than two.
to be honest, most of the gaming laptops like that clevo will never be run on anything without a power supply and a desk. it's waayyy too heavy to be lugging it around day in, day out.
some people will prefer desktops because it is relatively cheaper in comparison to a gaming laptop.
personally i'd much rather have a desktop with all the screen space (32" screen) and a proper kb+m and speakers.
and then use an ultralight laptop for all-day out-of-office usage - which i do.
again, everyone has different needs/wants, and how that's accomplished varies from person to person.
some people may like the relative portability a gaming laptop offers over its desktop counterpart, and prefer that they've only have one system rather than two.
to be honest, most of the gaming laptops like that clevo will never be run on anything without a power supply and a desk. it's waayyy too heavy to be lugging it around day in, day out.
some people will prefer desktops because it is relatively cheaper in comparison to a gaming laptop.
personally i'd much rather have a desktop with all the screen space (32" screen) and a proper kb+m and speakers.
and then use an ultralight laptop for all-day out-of-office usage - which i do.
again, everyone has different needs/wants, and how that's accomplished varies from person to person.