Is it ok to be proud to be white?

robfosters said:
I agree with that, but it’s one of society’s problems today in that liberals are adamant that their way of thinking is the right way and try to block anyone who thinks differently from airing their views, or just shouts them down as racists, fascists etc.
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I find this to be the root of many problems. To some people, their opinion is the only one that is right and everyone must agree with them. In my opinion, these people create more problems then they solve because that attitude leads to there being no middle ground to be had. You can't reason with them and so you can't have a constructive discussion with them. The reality is that people who don't agree with everything we do/believe/say, exist and we have to live with these people. Refusing to listen to them and trying to shut them down with insults isn't a solution.
 
-UnderClocker- said:
I find this to be the root of many problems. To some people, their opinion is the only one that is right and everyone must agree with them. In my opinion, these people create more problems then they solve because that attitude leads to there being no middle ground to be had. You can't reason with them and so you can't have a constructive discussion with them. The reality is that people who don't agree with everything we do/believe/say, exist and we have to live with these people. Refusing to listen to them and trying to shut them down with insults isn't a solution.
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That’s because the middle ground is dead, whether you want it or not, conflict is coming.
 
robfosters said:
I still find it disgraceful that you are pretty much saying you should carry the guilt and not feel the way you do because your ancestors, who lived many many years ago, did some terrible things. Every races ancestors did horrible things in one way or another, so why shouldn’t they feel ashamed too?
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On this^

How to you reconcile being proud of your country's achievements, as you've proclaimed in earlier posts, with being unwilling to be equally ashamed of these terrible things it also did?

Seems to be logically inconsistent, frankly.
 
cheesyboy said:
On this^

How to you reconcile being proud of your country's achievements, as you've proclaimed in earlier posts, with being unwilling to be equally ashamed of these terrible things it also did?

Seems to be logically inconsistent, frankly.
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I have proof my immediate ancestors acted courageously and brave. I have no evidence at all of any atrocities carried out by them. Provide me with evidence of the horrific things they did and I might feel different.
 
cheesyboy said:
I'm not. I'm saying race is a touchy area because it's been used right up until the present day to persecute and discriminate. The cost of that is that we've lost the privilege of being able to tell race jokes.

Try to follow the conversation and you'll get more out of it.
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Racism in the UK existed, but I think people are under the incorrect assumption that it was similar to America when that's simply not the case. For a start the UK historically just didn't have that many black people, in 1920 the UK black population was something like 20,000 against a population of 43 million. A lot of black people came to work in the UK following WW2, and then there was obviously problems with racism in the 70's and 80's - but we quickly moved on. There isn't this massive history of segregation like in America, there were no widespread groups like the KKK, the racism here definitely existed but it wasn't on the same scale and it's disingenuous to say it was.
 
robfosters said:
I have proof my immediate ancestors acted courageously and brave. I have no evidence at all of any atrocities carried out by them. Provide me with evidence of the horrific things they did and I might feel different.
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But you said this:
robfosters said:
I am proud of my country though. The history and pageantry of England, the beauty of our countryside and coastlines, the spirit of our citizens and the bravery of the soldiers. I’m also proud of our food. Some people think it’s boring, but whoever decided to put sausages in Yorkshire pudding is ******* culinary genius to match Albert Roux!
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So how does it make sense to be proud of that, but unashamed of the bad stuff?

Stolen valour on the part of the positive, but sloping shoulders on behalf of the negative.
 
Roar87 said:
Nothing he said was derogatory or discriminatory, can you please stop bleating racism and asking for things to be deleted and instead just use your words to counter posts you don't like
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Roar87 said:
No one has said the word implied except you just now. I don't believe talking about the virtues of Western civilisation, which has predominantly consisted of white people, is implied racism. Clearly the topic of the thread has been answered though, and it's definitely not okay to be proud to be white as that's now "implied racism".
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His rhetoric on diminishing white-white breeding levels and it being a danger, how the whites invented xyz (with minescule help from the arabs as he kindly suggested) and conquered everyone. Also generally something is implied without one explicitly stating that is the intention :D

He clearly views white people as a superior race for all their 'achievements', not the 'virtues of Western Civilisation'. (Not sure what is virtuous about conquering either).

A lot don't think there is any proudness in being any colour of skin or features, no one earned it or did anything remarkable to achieve it.
 
some people in this world should learn to distinguish between pride and unashamedness. those who name and some who participate in colourful marches are among these people.

people who are genuinely proud to be born with a particular trait indulge in foolishness.

i understand pride is a catchier word.
 
Purdy said:
His rhetoric on diminishing white-white breeding levels and it being a danger, how the whites invented xyz (with minescule help from the arabs as he kindly suggested) and conquered everyone. Also generally something is implied without one explicitly stating that is the intention :D

He clearly views white people as a superior race for all their 'achievements', not the 'virtues of Western Civilisation'. (Not sure what is virtuous about conquering either).

A lot don't think there is any proudness in being any colour of skin or features, no one earned it or did anything remarkable to achieve it.
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There’s nothing racist about being worried about diminishing white-white birth rates, just as there wouldn’t be anything racist with worrying about diminishing black-black birth rates.
 
robfosters said:
There’s nothing racist about being worried about diminishing white-white birth rates, just as there wouldn’t be anything racist with worrying about diminishing black-black birth rates.
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it's no problem unless you're against diversity. when everyone is the same peak diversity will be achieved.
 
robfosters said:
There’s nothing racist about being worried about diminishing white-white birth rates, just as there wouldn’t be anything racist with worrying about diminishing black-black birth rates.
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What's not racist about worrying about white birth rates?

If you weren't holding the white race in higher regard, then why would you worry about it at all? And if you are holding it in higher regard, then isn't that exactly what white supremacy is?
 
cheesyboy said:
What's not racist about worrying about white birth rates?

If you weren't holding the white race in higher regard, then why would you worry about it at all? And if you are holding it in higher regard, then isn't that exactly what white supremacy is?
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Is is necessary to hold white population in higher regard to want to preserve it? surely you can do so while holding it in equal regard. to not want to preserve it is to hold it in no regard.
 
azazl187 said:
That is a ridiculous comment. You are saying you can't be proud of a car or even a picture that your father or mother left you in a will?
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No, you can be proud that you worked hard and saved to earn the car or you can take pride in maintaining it (the effort and skill in doing so) but you can't just be "proud of the car".
 
cheesyboy said:
What's not racist about worrying about white birth rates?

If you weren't holding the white race in higher regard, then why would you worry about it at all? And if you are holding it in higher regard, then isn't that exactly what white supremacy is?
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Lol what? White supremacy would be wanting and aiming to have the white birth rate above every other race because you think they are better and you want the planet to be majority white. Simply not wanting your race to vanish off the face of the earth isn't white supremacy...

The only people that wouldn't care about their race vanishing are self hating white people.
 
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