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Martini1991 said:
There's no defense at all for pre order before reviews when it comes to buying PC hardware.
No one should make light of it, regardless of the camp that you're in.
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You have missed the points I made which show why in some cases a pre-order is a form of insurance.
For a CPU it's ~£8 to return so hardly the big deal that you make it out to be.
Some people just like to complain based on their own preference.
There's no need to defend it, it's just a regular part of retail, like pre-ordering a book etc.
 
smilingcrow said:
You have missed the points I made which show why in some cases a pre-order is a form of insurance.
For a CPU it's ~£8 to return so hardly the big deal that you make it out to be.
Some people just like to complain based on their own preference.
There's no need to defend it, it's just a regular part of retail, like pre-ordering a book etc.
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It's not about the money cost to send it back, it's the principle.
It's not the same as a book either, a book is down to personal taste. A CPU has a factual performance attached to it. Just because I like X or Y has no bearing on its performance.

There's a reason that standard practice has historically been reviews and launch at the exact same minute.

The one GPU pre order I did see ; The R9 290X was an absolute shambles. Specs weren't available and neither was the price, you just had to pay a place holder fee and then the unspecified amount later.
 
I'll give a** 'spoiler'** warning since we'll know for certain in 12 hours.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ry...aving-fewer-cores.119085/page-4#post-21125832

In regards to AdoredTV's leak:

That leak was from last year, and while the technology is correct (chiplets, 12C, etc) the lineup shown here is wrong.

Quite a few people (including myself) already have the lineup list. As with most tech launchs, like consoles for example, all the details are sent to the press ahead of time. So we already know whats coming.

EDIT: The point i'm trying to make is to wind expectations right back, as theyre going way too far out of control in this thread.

Adds onto APISAK saying that Ryzen 5s are still 6c/12t.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1132614249233076224

New leak/lineup:

R5 3600- 6C 12T

R5 3600X- 6C 12T

R7 3700- 8C 16T

R7 3700X- 8C 16T

R7 3800X- 12C 24T

-Launch in July

-A few months later you'll get the 3200G and 3400G APU's, which will round off the lower end.

-Those have already been announced (albeit their laptop varients), basic 4c/4t and 4c/8t respectively on 12nm

-Prices all around are quite reasonable, however theyre not the miracle works you've heard before

-3800X is priced lower then the OG 1800X, so you don't have to worry about spending $500

-16C 32T unit isnt coming at launch, or even being revealed.

-Ive heard numerous months for that, but the general consensus is Winter

Regarding Navi:

It'll be here, the E3 thing is going to be game benchmarks and some partnership talks.

IIRC Resetera has a policy of banning 'insiders' who put out fake leaks so that may lend some credibility to this lineup, however we will know for sure in ~12 hours or so anyway.
 
TrixX said:
Yeah preaching to the choir here, I love tuning systems, though recently haven't been able to experiment much. Hopefully that'll change soon ;)
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Ryzen gave me most fun tweeking since i was tweeking 2500k and its DDR3 samsung green's :D


At lest I know when I can preorder My Zen2 cpu from ocuk @Gibbo :] 1st July it is then :)
 
I imagine we're all going to be disappointed come tomorrow morning :p.

Probably just dispelling some of the more exaggerated hype and proper information coming at a later date.
 
@Martini1991 i will preorder cause want one asap. I got no more tweeks left in my 2700x need new toys. Even if i gotten 4500mhz ddr kit for 350 quid there would be no gain as IMC on my cpu is maxed out. I need new toy for tweeking fun thats it.
 
Martini1991 said:
It's not the same as a book either, a book is down to personal taste. A CPU has a factual performance attached to it. Just because I like X or Y has no bearing on its performance.
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It's very clear via this thread and others that many people will choose company A over company B regardless of performance unless the difference is very large.
It's naive to think that people only buy on performance.
Look at the people who buy a brand new car without even a test drive!
Many people aren't that rational when making decisions but as I said in this case they can return the item unused within x days for a full refund for a small cost.
 
smilingcrow said:
It's very clear via this thread and others that many people will choose company A over company B regardless of performance unless the difference is very large.
It's naive to think that people only buy on performance.
Look at the people who buy a brand new car without even a test drive!
Many people aren't that rational when making decisions but as I said in this case they can return the item unused within x days for a full refund for a small cost.
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smilingcrow said:
It's very clear via this thread and others that many people will choose company A over company B regardless of performance unless the difference is very large.
It's naive to think that people only buy on performance.
Look at the people who buy a brand new car without even a test drive!
Many people aren't that rational when making decisions but as I said in this case they can return the item unused within x days for a full refund for a small cost.
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Regardless it goes against traditional convention.

I won't believe it until it happens.
 
HeX said: ↑
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14402/intel-announces-5-ghz-all-core-turbo-cpu

Intel worried about AMD's presentation tonight? :D
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Martini1991 said:
As desperate as it is. At least we know what it's going to be :p
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Actually i think its clever marketing, they know damm well AMD wont hit 5ghz and the hype train is about to massively derail because people are still stupid enough ( why why why after all this time ) to believe AdoredTV and other clickbait sites.

Its a win for Intel, when it really shouldn't be.

Disclaimer, I have a 2700X and would love a 5ghz Ryzen, but hey.
 
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Listening to the latest GN video sounds like there won't be a lot of hard details at Computex from AMD. Hopefully there are a few surprises for everyone...


Sounds like the 16C part can hit 300W under water when overclocked.
 
Troezar said:
Listening to the latest GN video sounds like there won't be a lot of hard details at Computex from AMD. Hopefully there are a few surprises for everyone...


Sounds like the 16C part can hit 300W under water when overclocked.
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Hmm, from the 2950x review on TH:
"We dialed in a 4.1 GHz overclock by tuning the Vcore to 1.375V and bumping VDD_SoC up to 1.2V. We also increased the memory to DDR4-3466 with 14-14-14-34 timings and assigned the default LLC setting.

We recorded 246W of power consumption during our torture test with Prime95 and the processor at 4.1 GHz in Creator Mode. AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive serves much the same purpose as our manual overclock, but with clock rates that adjust dynamically to meet demand. Our Threadripper 2950X sample sustained an all-core 4.1 GHz with PBO active, drawing a steady 250W under load."
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Anandtech, stock:
At the end, we observe a total package power consumption of ~178W, near the 180W TDP, with ~135W on the cores and the rest on the non-core hardware (Infinity Fabric, IO, IMC).
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AdoredTV:
According to AMD, the 7nm node allows for 50% lower power at the same clock speeds or 25% higher clock speeds at the same power. AMD can, of course, do a blend of both and take ~13% higher clock speeds and ~25% power consumption at the same time, for instance
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From all this, therefore, can we reasonably expect the 16c Ryzen to do somewhere around 4.5 Ghz All core? Seems likely to me.
 
I'm bracing myself for £399 12C part being top end at launch with clocks being a little lower than speculated. Any improvement on that will be a bonus in my eyes.

Not too worried if Intel are beaten as long as I can buy AMD and get good performance/price within 10% of Intel.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
I'll give a** 'spoiler'** warning since we'll know for certain in 12 hours.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ry...aving-fewer-cores.119085/page-4#post-21125832

In regards to AdoredTV's leak:

That leak was from last year, and while the technology is correct (chiplets, 12C, etc) the lineup shown here is wrong.

Quite a few people (including myself) already have the lineup list. As with most tech launchs, like consoles for example, all the details are sent to the press ahead of time. So we already know whats coming.

EDIT: The point i'm trying to make is to wind expectations right back, as theyre going way too far out of control in this thread.

Adds onto APISAK saying that Ryzen 5s are still 6c/12t.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1132614249233076224

New leak/lineup:

R5 3600- 6C 12T

R5 3600X- 6C 12T

R7 3700- 8C 16T

R7 3700X- 8C 16T

R7 3800X- 12C 24T

-Launch in July

-16C 32T unit isnt coming at launch, or even being revealed.

IIRC Resetera has a policy of banning 'insiders' who put out fake leaks so that may lend some credibility to this lineup, however we will know for sure in ~12 hours or so anyway.
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Gamers Nexus just came out with word that there will be a 16 core Ryzen. A revelation.
 
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