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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

ben90 said:
Very much wondering if my x370 Taichi will handle the 8 core well enough. I have no need for PCI 4 (does anyone, atm?) and everyone said the Taichi had some of the best VRMs going, at the time. I believe it will come down to the memory overclocking, where I expect the new boards to have an advantage. Obviously this will depend on how important memory clocks will be on the 3rd gen.

The benchmarker's are going to have one hell of a busy schedule over the coming month or two :D

Things I would like to see:

Obviously how well they all overclock
breakdowns of the CPU catagories i.e. how latency affects games, how much difference memory overclocks will have, power draw, voltages, etc.
Comparisons on performance once all the security patches are installed (Intel's patch is supposed to be released on the 8th July, would you believe)
How well the previous gen boards will handle the new chips and general motherboard reviews (I really feel sorry for them here. Given his normal procedures, Steve from Hardware unboxed is going to have a few long nights).

Just to name a few things :eek:
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I think mid end boards might struggle with the 12 core and certainly the 16 core, but higher end boards like yours should be ok with the 12 core, as for the 8 core, a good B450 should be fine for that.

Its all about the VRMs and the 8 core ones don't seem to use anymore power than the 2700X.
 
4K8KW10 said:
The base clock is 0.1 GHz different, too. The boosts depend on your current state of the cooling, single/dual-channel memory, ambient temperature and you can always offset by manually OCing the cheaper CPU. There is no need to pay 70$ for virtually nothing.
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You are missing the point of what he is saying - it is possible that one CPU is binned and configured to hold a higher boost longer. TDP in implementation by both Intel and lately AMD has moved away from what people recognise as the definition of TDP and is much more dependant on a variety of conditions.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Well, they say that it's hard to get 5.0GHz, but 4.8GHz can be a widely spread OC.
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One of the posts "Single core energy 5g, if the power supply can keep up, the whole core is at least 4.9 4.8. It is conventional air-cooled or integrated with water cooling."

Maybe Jim wasn't that far off after all ;)

On another note, from the same discussion; "Starting 12C, 16C can't come out to see toothpaste! ! If the toothpaste is weak, I am afraid that 16C will wait for ZEN3."

Thanks google translate :D
 
ben90 said:
Very much wondering if my x370 Taichi will handle the 8 core well enough. I have no need for PCI 4 (does anyone, atm?) and everyone said the Taichi had some of the best VRMs going, at the time. I believe it will come down to the memory overclocking, where I expect the new boards to have an advantage. Obviously this will depend on how important memory clocks will be on the 3rd gen.

The benchmarker's are going to have one hell of a busy schedule over the coming month or two :D

Things I would like to see:

Obviously how well they all overclock
breakdowns of the CPU catagories i.e. how latency affects games, how much difference memory overclocks will have, power draw, voltages, etc.
Comparisons on performance once all the security patches are installed (Intel's patch is supposed to be released on the 8th July, would you believe)
How well the previous gen boards will handle the new chips and general motherboard reviews (I really feel sorry for them here. Given his normal procedures, Steve from Hardware unboxed is going to have a few long nights).

Just to name a few things :eek:
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Just finished watching the below, the only 2 boards he mentions that he believes will run the 16 core without issue in terms of power delivery are the Taichi and Crosshair 7 Hero, he said that basically the X370 and X470 Taichi boards are the same so you should be fine for the 8 core, even the 12.

 
Guys, there is evidence Ryzen 3000 isn't going to clock any higher than Ryzen 2000, i think that's probably true, but it makes up the difference to Intel's clocks with higher IPC.
 
humbug said:
I think mid end boards might struggle with the 12 core and certainly the 16 core, but higher end boards like yours should be ok with the 12 core, as for the 8 core, a good B450 should be fine for that.

Its all about the VRMs and the 8 core ones don't seem to use anymore power than the 2700X.
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Looking like an 8 core with my current MB and RAM will be my best option. Hopefully will be able to run them for the time being and make a more researched decision once the mayhem has died down. I still think that getting hold of any of the 8 and above cores will be extremely difficult.
 
ben90 said:
Looking like an 8 core with my current MB and RAM will be my best option. Hopefully will be able to run them for the time being and make a more researched decision once the mayhem has died down. I still think that getting hold of any of the 8 and above cores will be extremely difficult.
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If you're gaming, with some none serious productivity work the 8 core will be perfect. IMO :)
 
Quite something when you think just 3 years back, pondering 8 cores or more? in the mainstream, IE not thinking about spending £1400 or £2000 on something with an Intel logo on it....
 
4K8KW10 said:
Well, they say that it's hard to get 5.0GHz, but 4.8GHz can be a widely spread OC.
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Yeah, stolen from Reddit

Reading through this, with my awareness of who a couple of these people are (yeah.. I get around)...

The takeway seems to be this:
  • 4.8GHz is achievable on all cores
  • ~4.4GHz performs similar to a 5Ghz 9900k - in Cinebench (not surprising)
  • 5.0GHz is doable, but it's a challenge
  • Overclock for overclock, Ryzen 3000 is still faster (in Cinebench?)
  • 5GHz boost isn't infeasible
  • 5Ghz all core is pretty much a no-go.
  • 1.35V for all core 4.5Ghz (THIS is amazing)
  • Memory is being run very loose and slow to assure stability for testing
That's the information from people who actually have samples.

The memory statement is a big one... we've seen that the memory used in the leaks, so far, has been default rated at CL20 or CL22 (or even CL24). If this is what was being used, then memory latency has not regressed from Pinnacle Ridge in any notable way. That would be welcomed.
 
Kashinoda said:
Yeah, stolen from Reddit

Reading through this, with my awareness of who a couple of these people are (yeah.. I get around)...

The takeway seems to be this:
  • 4.8GHz is achievable on all cores
  • ~4.4GHz performs similar to a 5Ghz 9900k - in Cinebench (not surprising)
  • 5.0GHz is doable, but it's a challenge
  • Overclock for overclock, Ryzen 3000 is still faster (in Cinebench?)
  • 5GHz boost isn't infeasible
  • 5Ghz all core is pretty much a no-go.
  • 1.35V for all core 4.5Ghz (THIS is amazing)
  • Memory is being run very loose and slow to assure stability for testing
That's the information from people who actually have samples.

The memory statement is a big one... we've seen that the memory used in the leaks, so far, has been default rated at CL20 or CL22 (or even CL24). If this is what was being used, then memory latency has not regressed from Pinnacle Ridge in any notable way. That would be welcomed.
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Are you sure? because others are saying there was a 16 core Ryzen 3000 at Computex shown to the press and 4.25Ghz all core was the most they could get out of it without going completely over the top with the volts.
 
humbug said:
Guys, there is evidence Ryzen 3000 isn't going to clock any higher than Ryzen 2000, i think that's probably true, but it makes up the difference to Intel's clocks with higher IPC.
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Well that would suck, I'd have thought it being a proper desktop node it might fare better. So if these chips only manage to keep up with intel in stock form, then Intel retain the lead as they all overclock pretty well.
 
humbug said:
Guys, there is evidence Ryzen 3000 isn't going to clock any higher than Ryzen 2000, i think that's probably true, but it makes up the difference to Intel's clocks with higher IPC.
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I think you're over estimating how Ryzen 2000 overclocks.

If Ryzen 3XXX can get between 4.4-4.6GHZ on average that's better than Ryzen 2XXX which is more like 4.0-4.2GHZ.
 
PieEater said:
Just finished watching the below, the only 2 boards he mentions that he believes will run the 16 core without issue in terms of power delivery are the Taichi and Crosshair 7 Hero, he said that basically the X370 and X470 Taichi boards are the same so you should be fine for the 8 core, even the 12.
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the MSI gaming M7 will run it too based on his assuptions of the other two boards.
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Well that would suck, I'd have thought it being a proper desktop node it might fare better. So if these chips only manage to keep up with intel in stock form, then Intel retain the lead as they all overclock pretty well.
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Sometimes high IPC CPU's just don't clock well, the IPC is reportedly about 15% higher than Coffeelake, so 4.2Ghz Ryzen 3000 would = 4.83Ghz Coffeelake.

Be that as it may, i think that's fine, only idiots wouldn't understand the difference between IPC and clock speed and only idiots buy.......................... no matter what anyway.

AthlonXP had higher IPC but lower clocks vs Pentium 4, AthlonXP still won in outright performance
The Core Duo, which was Intel's eventual response to AthlonXP was also like this, lower clocks than AthlonXP but higher IPC, it won, Core Duo is the base of the architecture from Intel that's still with us today, the next iteration of it was Lynfield and eventually Sandy Bridge which had high IPC and high clocks.

AMD will work on it and Ryzen 4000 maybe high clocking variants of Ryzen 3000.
 
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