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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

CPUs aren't much faster are they, that's the rub. Intel and AMD, its all 5% here and there. Silicon improvements are coming to and end. Performance goes up 5% and cost more than that is the end of the old Moore's Law. It's been like this for some time actually. My next upgrade will probably cost more than it did 7 years ago for less performance gain on previous gen, but it had to come to and end sometime.
 
keyser said:
CPUs aren't much faster are they, that's the rub. Intel and AMD, its all 5% here and there. Silicon improvements are coming to and end. Performance goes up 5% and cost more than that is the end of the old Moore's Law. It's been like this for some time actually. My next upgrade will probably cost more than it did 7 years ago for less performance gain on previous gen, but it had to come to and end sometime.
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Except in this case, at least going from what AMD say and the little bits they have shown us, its somewhat more than 5%, even on the per core performance, with an added 50% cores.

This really is not at all like Intel's incremental and very minimal upgrades.
 
If you are doing anything that benefits from more cores, then it doesn't really matter about silicon improvements as such, you have benefitted from additional cores and threads that are now pretty cheap really
 
Kashinoda said:
Grab this kit :)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html

Anyone expecting RAM prices to go up again to coincide with Ryzen 3 demand? Wondering if I should buy now.
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RAM prices are falling, and will continue to fall for probably the whole of Q3 - Zen2 is pure enthusiast excitement it is not going to impact the market with an immediate effect, and PC sales are never good in Q2/Q3. When you see spot pricing going up daily for more than 14 days in a row then you know we are on an upswing, but even that can be misleading.

As for the choice in RAM, if people want to over pay for a brand over just getting a good value kit with the same performance or possibly better due to not being pre-binned, well it is their money. :)
 
beany_bot said:
Gibbo pops in with 2 posts and everyone is scrabbling around buying overpriced high end RAM.
Lol, the guy is a wizard salesman I'll give him that. :D
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TBF to Gibbo he only said RAM OC’s looked good and then I took it all slightly off topic...
 
I get the feeling manufacturers are going to take the absolute **** with the x570 mobo pricing. Got my Asus Gene V for £150 at the time. Getting a similar board today costs at least double.
 
keyser said:
CPUs aren't much faster are they, that's the rub. Intel and AMD, its all 5% here and there. Silicon improvements are coming to and end. Performance goes up 5% and cost more than that is the end of the old Moore's Law. It's been like this for some time actually. My next upgrade will probably cost more than it did 7 years ago for less performance gain on previous gen, but it had to come to and end sometime.
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Except that AMD went something silly like 58%, 10%, 18% going from Piledriver to Zen 2. And "speed" means nothing, it's about overall performance from IPC improvements with clock speed (which has been discussed and debate time and time and time and time again).

Hell, even with Intel's minor incremental updates every generation, compare a Sandy Bridge and a Skylake at the same clocks and see the performance improvements the latter gives. Compare a 5GHz FX 9590 to a 5GHz 9900K and you will wet yourself laughing, "speed" has nothing to do with it.
 
LePhuronn said:
Except that AMD went something silly like 58%, 10%, 18% going from Piledriver to Zen 2. And "speed" means nothing, it's about overall performance from IPC improvements with clock speed (which has been discussed and debate time and time and time and time again).

Hell, even with Intel's minor incremental updates every generation, compare a Sandy Bridge and a Skylake at the same clocks and see the performance improvements the latter gives. Compare a 5GHz FX 9590 to a 5GHz 9900K and you will wet yourself laughing, "speed" has nothing to do with it.
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Add in software that take advantage of AVX extensions it can make a huge difference.
 
beany_bot said:
Any idea what more info will we get at E3?
More CPU's? The 16 core? More gamaing benches? Mobo prices? Pre-orders?
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dont think 16 cores will come into play until end of Q4, when Intel 10 core should be rocking up .

Guessing AMD focus will be on Navi and with NVidia super of 2070 super and 2080 super to sit inbetween gaps like they did with 1070ti .
 
Having seen the pricing of the Asus CH8 and Aorus Xtreme (~$600) the Asrock Aqua looks like a bargain at $999 :D
 
well atleast the pubg benchmark looked pretty good. close to 8700k ipc results. indicates very close to intel gaming potential. now its just down to pricing and temps. hopefully you dont need to find unicorn memory to make them work correctly like ryzens first launch.
 
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