Made in England

Burnsy2023 · 31 May 2019 at 12:57

Six6siX said:
I'll pay more for:
- better quality. If something is of a higher quality than a competitor
- preference. If something is specific to my own preference or is a niche product not made elsewhere
- convenience. If I need something urgently and it's possible to get it quicker than from a competitor

Within reason, of course.

Couldn't care less where it's made. Want me to buy British? Tick the above boxes and I'll do just that - but not because it's made in England.

That's pretty much where I stand. I don't really care where something is made. I care about the end product.

Sutters · 31 May 2019 at 13:07

One thing I've noticed myself doing is i will buy local products regardless of the cost to a degree if I think the money is going to benefit people in my area, I think the rational is helping my neighbour indirectly helps me.

V F · 31 May 2019 at 13:21

ttaskmaster said:
Oh Necky, If only that were indeed true...
Having done exactly this, I'd suggest staying firmly on the internet. Going out just means you encounter more of them, but this time without the benefit of an 'Ignore' button!
Nuanced in this case just means a million different interpretations of the same thing, all of which must be respected, accepted and described using whatever non-binary non-gender-specific pronouns that particular individual prefers are used for their particular politico-perspectives.... It's a royal pain in the bum, as it just allows them even more angles from which to cry-bully people, and I refuse to enable that kind of behaviour.

This has to be sarcasm...

ttaskmaster · 31 May 2019 at 13:54

Roar87 · 31 May 2019 at 14:10

neckbeardthethird said:
Only in the internet bubble you seemingly live in, you're a textbook example of someone who needs to get out more and meet some people in real life who are left leaning and see that many peoples views are far more nuanced than you suggest. You seem to be too deeply entrenched in the internet 'culture wars' to realise this though, it's much easier to just make ridiculous generalisations about demographics of millions isn't it.

Really? Most people in real life who are left wing don't even know the arguments against their position, so they'll have a default position against Nuclear Weapons for instance but aren't aware of the concept of mutually assured destruction, or they'll be pro-socialism and big on raising the minimum wage but don't understand that it can have an impact of the number of jobs and cause people to be less productive, etc.

dirtychinchilla · 31 May 2019 at 14:17

Roar87 said:
Really? Most people in real life who are left wing don't even know the arguments against their position, so they'll have a default position against Nuclear Weapons for instance but aren't aware of the concept of mutually assured destruction, or they'll be pro-socialism and big on raising the minimum wage but don't understand that it can have an impact of the number of jobs and cause people to be less productive, etc.

FYI, I expect they're aware of mutually assured destruction and don't believe it's sufficient.

Roar87 · 31 May 2019 at 14:25

dirtychinchilla said:
FYI, I expect they're aware of mutually assured destruction and don't believe it's sufficient.

They genuinely aren't aware of it as a concept, let alone the fact that it kept the peace during the cold war. It's the same with almost any subject, for all the benefits of the NHS there are also benefits to a private system, it's not a straight forward argument where there are no downfalls to a nationalised health service; yet if you speak to some people they wouldn't be able to cite 1 benefit of a private system. How can you have a properly formed opinion when you don't know both sides of the argument?

dirtychinchilla · 31 May 2019 at 14:57

Roar87 said:
They genuinely aren't aware of it as a concept, let alone the fact that it kept the peace during the cold war. It's the same with almost any subject, for all the benefits of the NHS there are also benefits to a private system, it's not a straight forward argument where there are no downfalls to a nationalised health service; yet if you speak to some people they wouldn't be able to cite 1 benefit of a private system. How can you have a properly formed opinion when you don't know both sides of the argument?

Where are you meeting these people?!

neckbeardthethird · 31 May 2019 at 16:36

Roar87 said:
Really? Most people in real life who are left wing don't even know the arguments against their position, so they'll have a default position against Nuclear Weapons for instance but aren't aware of the concept of mutually assured destruction, or they'll be pro-socialism and big on raising the minimum wage but don't understand that it can have an impact of the number of jobs and cause people to be less productive, etc.

Yes really and the fact you're still making ridiculous generalisations in this very post is perfect evidence how far down the rabbit hole you've gone and how detached from reality you have gotten.

How can you criticise the left making generalisations about the right (something you do regularly) when you've no problem making ludicrous statements such as 'lefties don't even know the arguments against their position'. Sure some lefties may not know the arguments against their position but that applies to tons of people on the right as well. Lack of knowledge is not exclusive to one political side, no matter how much you want to try and spin it otherwise.

Do you not realise how people such as yourself come across to people who aren't sucked into this cancerous culture war ? You come across as cultists, just like the culty side of the left who like to chuck around the term Nazi at anyone they disagree with... You're basically cut from the same cloth as them but seemingly lack the self awareness to realise it.

Superficial · 31 May 2019 at 17:36

made in England (rather than Great Britain, Britain or the UK) is still used on very high end luxury goods. I've seen it stamped on luxury car engines (either AM or McLaren or RR) and other expensive items.

It's certainly still used.

Products that specifically say made in England tend to be higher end in my view and based on those concerned by the Cache of associated with it over the UK.

to answer the OP's question - I would buy made in England if I could reasonably afford these items.

edit see here on the 'made by' signature for AM:

https://www.google.com/search?q=aston+martin+engine+signature&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=tXhGRT5SiLFE3M%3A%2Chirp4JY6GmPikM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS8_2XPuUIul4T3A3OGStCZVRZKzQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifoZbBmsbiAhVrVBUIHbndAisQ9QEwAnoECAUQCA#imgrc=tXhGRT5SiLFE3M:

and here for McLaren:

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=i...E#imgdii=n5BHP_QOjmajxM:&imgrc=s3UKM_UZTAsBVM:

Burberry:

https://www.google.com/search?q=burberry+made+in+england&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=W5kZKVuK5dL96M%3A%2ClA3iPtZJ7ptP4M%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS9y9RN1c6YahJ6aUFZP3UpxhUfhw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidz9Pjm8biAhXbSxUIHZgLBgIQ9QEwAHoECAMQAw#imgdii=SSQ3gBHtrurAoM:&imgrc=W5kZKVuK5dL96M:&vet=1

ttaskmaster · 31 May 2019 at 17:57

neckbeardthethird · 31 May 2019 at 18:06

ttaskmaster said:
Because they do it to the Right, the Left and just about anyone they even suspect is not quite as Lefty-Lib as they are... Can't even open your mouth sometimes, before getting slapped by that kind of judgement.

Again more generalisations. If I wanted to counter such simplistic arguments I could just post a link to a thread from a right wing forum where anyone who is even remotely left leaning gets their views dismissed and called 'left4rd' etc... or numerous political videos on youtube that are chock full of comments from right wingers judging anyone who is left leaning. All the evidence points to both sides having insufferable blurts who like to make blanket statements about demographics of millions.

Its genuinely staggering (and rather depressing) that some people have managed to convince themselves that some of the things they criticise about the left are not also applicable to the right. Only reason I can see for that is being blinded by partisanship or spending too long in a bubble with people who have similar views.

ttaskmaster · 31 May 2019 at 18:13

Roar87 · 31 May 2019 at 18:13

neckbeardthethird said:
Yes really and the fact you're still making ridiculous generalisations in this very post is perfect evidence how far down the rabbit hole you've gone and how detached from reality you have gotten.

How can you criticise the left making generalisations about the right (something you do regularly) when you've no problem making ludicrous statements such as 'lefties don't even know the arguments against their position'. Sure some lefties may not know the arguments against their position but that applies to tons of people on the right as well. Lack of knowledge is not exclusive to one political side, no matter how much you want to try and spin it otherwise.

Do you not realise how people such as yourself come across to people who aren't sucked into this cancerous culture war ? You come across as cultists, just like the culty side of the left who like to chuck around the term Nazi at anyone they disagree with... You're basically cut from the same cloth as them but seemingly lack the self awareness to realise it.

I'm talking about my personal experiences with people I've spoken to about politics in real life, so I may be generalising, but my sample size is obviously small. I've also spoken to people who are "far right", the type of people who vote for the BNP/EDL, I would just say they're just uneducated. I'm not really bothered how I come across on an internet forum to be fair.

ttaskmaster said:
So how did we get all that Credit Crunch/Recession stuff and why are banks being blamed?

A lot of the regulation came in after that funnily enough.

StriderX · 31 May 2019 at 19:47

Minimum wage went up and yet jobs also went up/unemployment went down, so your assertion is incorrect.

deuse · 3 Jun 2019 at 09:30

Raymond Lin said:
Look, he said "Made in America" "Plastic"

I asked "what OLED TV or Phone" as both of these have plastic parts. I could have picked many others but I like to see what items he is referring to specifically.

I was taking to him, in which YOU interjected with "YES"

So I then redirected to you "Yes what exactly"

Then you went on about goal post but refuse to name the items that I was asking for.

You talk about goal posts, I was asking about particular products and now all you want is talk about me and my posts!

Do you even read your own posts?

Raymond Lin said:
Like what in particular?

Can you get a Made in USA 60" OLED TV or a Made in USA phone or Made in USA. I have a few made in USA items like Guitars, amps and effects which they are famous for.

See you said "Can" and not "what"

I'm done with you as many members here have.

vanpeebles · 3 Jun 2019 at 10:21

Made In The UK at its best:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-en...y-vacuum-fan-from-usa-visits-somerset-factory

LabR@t · 3 Jun 2019 at 12:38

Got a Henry, didn't know it was made in the UK!
Best vacuum around if you was to ask me.

Tone1979 · 3 Jun 2019 at 15:29

ttaskmaster said:
I thought the poster's own joke about it stood well enough and any further remark would only interfere with its magnificent simplicity. Too many cooks, and all that.