AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[SS-89]

Depends where you are coming from. For those of us on older systems, factor in an NVMe SSD and DDR4 ram. Add a decent aftermarket CPU cooler on top of that too. So I'm facing more like £1k, which is getting kinda pricey. And it's not like there are any decent new games to take advantage of all this upgrading... (enter fanboys who claim they spend all day "encoding, etc." so "need the extra cores"..)

I mean that argument can be levied at any platform when you are upgrading from older tech. That's not specific to Ryzen 3. In addition you can easily go for the cheaper 3600X/3700X parts depending on requirements.

I find the arguments about the motherboards a bit bizarre. There is going to be a plethora of choice for all budgets on X570 so honing in on the extreme motherboards seems a bit odd when computing budget/price ranges. B550 will launch later which will bring even more choice and there is also the option of going for X470/B450 boards as well if you do not want PCIE 4.0 so it can be as cheap or as expensive as you want.

 

[gronf]

AMD is releasing its 7nm Ryzen CPUs on 7/7

Is that the Brit date or Yank date format?!!!1

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Depends where you are coming from. For those of us on older systems, factor in an NVMe SSD and DDR4 ram. Add a decent aftermarket CPU cooler on top of that too. So I'm facing more like £1k, which is getting kinda pricey. And it's not like there are any decent new games to take advantage of all this upgrading... (enter fanboys who claim they spend all day "encoding, etc." so "need the extra cores"..)

You don't NEED an NVMe SSD and honestly a good normal SSD would work fine. The cooler will work fine too unless you plan on overclocking.

Plus if you are talking from scratch a whole PC will cost the same or more from Intel so I still fail to see the issue.

 

[NinjaCool]

Is that the Brit date or Yank date format?!!!1

7/7 = 7 July so that means it's just 32 days away

 

[gronf]

7/7 = 7 July 2019 so that means it's just 32 days away

No! You were supposed to say "it doesn't make any difference in this case" or something. And then I post this:

 

[Journey]

Plus if you are talking from scratch a whole PC will cost the same or more from Intel so I still fail to see the issue.

I read it as "Excuse, excuse and then excuse, because excuse and if then excuse I can't excuse myself and TBH any excuse would do.

 

[NinjaCool]

Well thats what happens sometimes viathinair when you are multitasking

 

[4K8KW10]

Could you please tell us how you came to this conclusion?
3700X $329
A good board starts at around $179 (PRO4) or $220 the Gigabyte X570I VRM monstrosity.

And wrote monstrosity because it has better VRM than the top X370 and X470 boards, enough to keep up the 16core and probably OC it also.

B550 board will come out later this year also.

Don't pull numbers out of your head.
Sure if you want to buy the 3900X and put it on the X570 Aqua, it will be $1500.

Well, it depends what CPUs you consider the 3700X a real upgrade from...
If one has to upgrade from a six-core Ryzen 5 2600 to a twelve-core Ryzen 3900X, and from a tiny B450 to a good X570 board, they will have to go deeper in their wallets.
Plus graphics card, faster memory, better PSU, etc.

 

[Troezar]

I've not really had any issues with the TR4/X399 chipset based boards and they are an all AMD design, well I say none that was involving the chipset, I've had plenty of headaches with BIOS issues as the platform matured.

As for the PCI-E 4.0 comment, I think it revolves around those people who buy and forget, knowing that in 5 years time they'll be able to put in a graphics card and it should perform like it is meant to. You only need to look at the number of people coming from 2500K/3770K etc. to see how long some people keep systems, and the main things that change the most are RAM/Disk subsystem/GPU, so if the board can do all they need, and the CPU is good enough then it is peace of mind in some repsects.

Absolutely spot on. I like technology but upgrade infrequently as I have other things to spend money on. However I jump in when performance/price/longevity looks best. Coming from a 2500K that time is now.

I can't see software being limited by X570, PCIE4.0 or rediculously fast NVMEs for quite some time. Being realistic, the average user is only just discovering SSDs! How long will it take for a GPU to saturate PCIE 4.0 let alone 5.0 that some are waiting for?

 

[Skynet5]

Depends where you are coming from. For those of us on older systems, factor in an NVMe SSD and DDR4 ram. Add a decent aftermarket CPU cooler on top of that too. So I'm facing more like £1k, which is getting kinda pricey. And it's not like there are any decent new games to take advantage of all this upgrading... (enter fanboys who claim they spend all day "encoding, etc." so "need the extra cores"..)

I have a grand to spend.. But if I feel it isn't value to me I'll bow out.

I'm happy with prices of all components available so far.. But it's the board prices I'm concerened with.

Then there is the price gouging thatll happen over everything. That might make me wait too.

 

[humbug]

basically you need £1500 to upgrade to ryzen 3000, no thx

WTF? by what measure did you arrive at that conclusion

 

[Sargatanas2511]

WTF? by what measure did you arrive at that conclusion

He added a 2080Ti as bare minimum .

 

[humbug]

He added a 2080Ti as bare minimum .

Must have done.

If you already have an Intel system all you need is the CPU and board.

£400 3800X
<£250 for the board

<£650.

you don't need RAM as you have DDR4 from the Intel system, just like all the other components.

All you need is the board and CPU. if you wan't a new GPU too, well that's not part of "the Ryzen 3000 upgrade / Intel switch"

 

[humbug]

This is what mine will cost me.

Ryzen 3600: £200
Board, X470/X570 depending on what's available at what price, £120 to £150.

£320 to £350.

I might even keep my old board, if so its £200.

+ The old parts are worth something on the members market.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

This is what mine will cost me.

Ryzen 3600: £200
Board, X470/X570 depending on what's available at what price, £120 to £150.

£320 to £350.

I might even keep my old board, if so its £200.

+ The old parts are worth something on the members market.

I am not 100% on which processor yet but ~£400 for the 3800X which is what I will likely go for plus £250 for a high end board. That's it so £650. Hopefully my 1700 + C6H will make £150 back so £500.

 

[humbug]

I am not 100% on which processor yet but ~£400 for the 3800X which is what I will likely go for plus £250 for a high end board. That's it so £650. Hopefully my 1700 + C6H will make £150 back so £500.

So, the same price as a 9900K alone.

 

[Kashinoda]

3700X - £300
B450 Tomahawk - £90
8Pack DDR4 16GB 3200Mhz CL14 - £140

£530 Upgrade for me, £600 if go for a good X470 instead.

Can sell my 4790k, motherboard and 16GB DDR3 for £200-250.

So £280-£400 to upgrade something I've had since 2014. Happy with that

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is what mine will cost me.

Ryzen 3600: £200
Board, X470/X570 depending on what's available at what price, £120 to £150.

£320 to £350.

I might even keep my old board, if so its £200.

+ The old parts are worth something on the members market.

I find it utterly weird people are needing high end boards if you are going for the 6 or 8 core CPUs. The TDPs are not higher and they are 7NM CPUs,so power consumption shouldn't be a problem. I would expect an overclocked Ryzen 7 3700X should consume less power than an overclocked Core i9 9900K.

For instance your ASRock was fine with a Ryzen 5 1600 overclocked and I would expect a £100 board should be fine with a Ryzen 5 3600.

 

[4K8KW10]

If you already have an Intel system all you need is the CPU and board.

£400 3800X
<£250 for the board

<£650.

you don't need RAM as you have DDR4 from the Intel system, just like all the other components.

All you need is the board and CPU. if you wan't a new GPU too, well that's not part of "the Ryzen 3000 upgrade / Intel switch"

Except that going from an i9 9900k to Ryzen 7 isn't a upgrade at all, but sidegrade.
This is why people expected and hoped for the 12-core offerings.

What are you saying now? That long live the i9-9900k or what?

 

[Sargatanas2511]

So, the same price as a 9900K alone.

Would be happy with that, if I do end up at the 3900X for £600 total I would be happy with that too.